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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 2:41:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 4:30:11 GMT
oh to be young again and in such a state of immersion....great vid man
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 5:53:41 GMT
Awesome-I can't do this. These kids will be great!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 12:30:00 GMT
Impressive! Interesting to see Takeshi Kitano there as well.. I wish I understood japanese! Thanks for posting this, Spud!
Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 13:56:12 GMT
That was some truly skillful cutting. Great find Spud!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 15:26:25 GMT
Yep its a pity i couldn't find an English dubbed version it would have been interesting to know what Takeshi Kitano was saying & your all very welcome guys.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 5, 2009 17:36:50 GMT
take a look at that kid's habaki when he shows it to the host of the show. it's split along the ha from the machi all the way down to the seppa and tsuba (or dang near) that's strange looking. if that showed up on a production katana there most likely be some complaining. I expect that is a little higher quality sword though. . . anyone know anything about that sort of habaki? cool vid though, thanks. I'm about to board my airplane. so I may never see any response. oh well.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 5, 2009 18:30:44 GMT
The habaki startled me, too, but not as much as the er...polish? Hell, the blade and the entire package overall were just...ugly. Odd, though, to think that 200 years ago, these kids doing this would have been normal. If they couldn't do at least this they'd probably be thought poorly of. Yet everybody's so amazed by this now. I figure they're pretty well on par with just about anybody who's been learning swords since they could walk. I guess the idea is lost on modern society. Still, being 12 and 14 and getting on TV is pretty spiffy for them, I suppose. Swords were still ugly as sin... Have fun on the airplane, Tom.
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Post by genocideseth on Jun 6, 2009 0:22:24 GMT
Well, kids back then could not use a computer for the life of them either. Yet it is normal for us... I wish we could use swords instead though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2009 4:59:27 GMT
Randomnobody & berserker you both make valid points, thank you.
I just like to give credit where credit is due when i come across it, its getting harder these days to find dedicated students of any age let alone children so i thought these kids were worthy of a mention, if only to remind us all that if we apply ourselves theirs no reason we can't archive the things we aspire too.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 8, 2009 6:26:40 GMT
Don't get me wrong, the kids are pretty good, it's just they've pretty much never known any different, if my craptastic japspeak isn't posing more of an issue than usual... The poor kids almost seem brainwashed, too. "So, what do you want to be when you grow up? "Naturally, a (whatever school) master." (lol loose translations) I'll also admit I laughed when the one kid (I forget which noe, probably the older) batted that piece of falling mat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2009 11:41:56 GMT
At least the kid kept going in true spirit. Slips happen all the time even with high grades, even in battle or should I just say that when one is under pressure.. It is that unflappable aspect that proves yourself, not just ever perfect cutting ability. Those kids were great for their age, any age really. I hope their dreams are fulfilled. Raven Raven
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 14:53:22 GMT
Wow nice, they are real good, especially for being small. Just goes to prove that cutting is not so much about strength but more about technique. That little guy proves it. Although he must have some strong arms and hands to hang onto that shinken while cutting like that. They both had amazing concentration and control, stopped the blades on a dime at the end of the cut.
I did find the grip a bit odd, at least compared to my art and most others I've seen. Their hands were real close together, chocked up on the tsuka. I thought maybe it was just the yunger one so he could better control the blade, but they both gripped it like that. I'm used to seeing katana held with more space between the hands.
Don't mistake concentration and being nervous, with being say "brainwashed". Remember, these are kids being put on a television show. Then on top of that, there is the fact they are representing their family name AND their school. The Japanese culture is very much about manners and appearance and family honor, even still. I bet they were just really nervous and trying to make a good appearane for their family and school.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 2:46:28 GMT
...And have more training than most adults I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 15:11:16 GMT
...And have more training than most adults I've seen. Well said! I go by the name "Master Of The Obvious", but from that statement I bow to you ;D Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 5:30:15 GMT
Actually considering the factors they are not as good as you think. They are using high end swords made by a licensed Japanese Tosho. I dont care the grade the sword is still better than 90% of the Chinese make. They are very wide swords with no Niku. Some of you who know how the chen XL's cut... Add a good polish and better forging skill to that, then skilled mount work and you have a sword that accounts for I would bet 25% of the ability those kids have to cut those mats... And they still do suffer some misses. Also look at their tenouchi... Gman may be able to recognise it as a grip style that Obata Soke uses. The grip allows for use of power and speed. More of what you would see in a "Military" use and would be more of a "Taboo" among swordsmen who are more into the modern "Art" way of looking at the sword.
Obata is using a Japanese Blade, but it has niku and is not of the untra thin and wide profile..... Take the Japanese made blades away from those two kids and replace them with somthing like a chen shinto classic, or a musashi classic. Somthing that is not wide, has niku (in the case of a musashi) and is not a sword with a Japanese polish and is made from an assembly line. The base form would be there, but that futo make probably would not have happened... If you notice even when the cuts from both of them are not at a good angle (more so on the younger boy) the swords ability finishes the cut. They wood look allot more foolish if the swords were not $5000 plus as they look to be.
Remember guys tameshigiri alone does not show skill. It is not so much the cut because that is what those swords were made to do, but look at the context and "form" that they use during cutting. While in a military standard the kids would be ahead of the curve, but to the "Art" standard of swordsmanship these kids have about 10 years to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 17:46:14 GMT
The habaki startled me, too, but not as much as the er...polish? Hell, the blade and the entire package overall were just...ugly. Odd, though, to think that 200 years ago, these kids doing this would have been normal. If they couldn't do at least this they'd probably be thought poorly of. Yet everybody's so amazed by this now. I figure they're pretty well on par with just about anybody who's been learning swords since they could walk. I guess the idea is lost on modern society. Still, being 12 and 14 and getting on TV is pretty spiffy for them, I suppose. Swords were still ugly as sin... Have fun on the airplane, Tom. I reckon you can view a sword like a used car... If you buy one that looks pretty, it probably doesn't run well. Personally, I prefer function as opposed to looks. My swords may not look as fancy as some wall hangers, but I would not use a wall hanger either in cutting exercise, nor combat.
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