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Post by tengu76 on Jun 1, 2009 12:27:43 GMT
There is this video clip that shows a person doing noto behind there back?!? Is this B/S or real and if so does anyone have further info??? Thanks. "This looks like a good way to loose a hand or finger!" But still WOW!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 13:17:24 GMT
I don't know... but that blade with the dragon etch into it was the most amazing I've ever seen
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 14:37:59 GMT
Very real but very hard to do. I saw it done once with a live blade and it stunned me, quite frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 14:57:16 GMT
No offence here, but I think the question shouldn't be real/fake, but rather smart/stupid. There are many things in life that can be done, but doesn't automatically mean they should be done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 15:04:37 GMT
There are also those who'd propound that using a very sharp sword when you don't really need to is foolish too
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Post by tengu76 on Jun 1, 2009 15:16:59 GMT
It's a VIDEO clip so thats why I asked if it was a real thing that is taught or can be done or just some hollywood B/S.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 15:43:28 GMT
Looks cool; someone took the time to learn it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 18:42:47 GMT
From this lady... Very real indeed and extremely hard to do. I would not recommend attempting this unless properly guided.
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Post by ecovolo on Jun 2, 2009 1:56:52 GMT
I'd love to see her hands-- more specifically, how many scars she had from practicing that particular behind-the-back noto move . --Edward P.S. I *love* that dragon horimono on that katana shown during the forging section of the video. I've always had a soft spot for katana with well-made horimono.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 2:50:23 GMT
It looks authentic for me, but I do not really understand practical value of that move, because, for instance, if you trying to protect your spinal from one opponent who cowardly attack you from behind, but in the same time you are absolutely defenseless against another one in front of you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 5:38:29 GMT
The only practicality is to perfect self and ability, it has no practical battlefield application as everyone seems so obsessed with. As far as I understand it the only battlefields we have these days are the simulated practices and competitions which have rules ad regulations. Personally I believe that perfection of self is important, even more so than any battlefield application.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2009 2:38:48 GMT
The only practicality is to perfect self and ability, it has no practical battlefield application as everyone seems so obsessed with. As far as I understand it the only battlefields we have these days are the simulated practices and competitions which have rules ad regulations. Personally I believe that perfection of self is important, even more so than any battlefield application. Perfection of yourself is what JSA all about. I do not want to start arguments here, but, IMHO, if you remove practical aspect from kenjutsu or iaido you will have Cabouchy theater ( which is I admire deeply )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2009 15:03:38 GMT
Agree with all said since my other reply here. It would seem that that particular technique is purly for the perfection of one's control and concentration and more for self evaluation. Mind you, pay attention to how long she has been studying for...since she was a small girl, so 15+ years is my guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2009 16:01:02 GMT
I must agree, that not everything in martial arts and other sports that is done, is done for the purpose. I think I'll give good example. In billiard there is no purpose in precreated situations making trick-shots, as most of these situation is impossible to happen in real game. However, doing such a thing increases your skills and self control, which is required in real situation. Here is the same thing, practicing hard things (no matter it has no practical use) allows to perform other actions more smoothly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2009 3:53:33 GMT
And this sort of noto I will never ever try to perform, doesn't matter how skillful it will make me fill about myself ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2009 15:56:42 GMT
LOL thanks for bringing us back from being so serious. A good laugh was appreciated today
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 5:05:18 GMT
Guys in JSA you have to remember one thing.... you do what you are told! And if you are taught to do a behind the back noto and never ask why it will not matter. Many techniques even from styles like Yagyu shinkage ryu are not the same ones used in the actuall time of the Yagyu samurai. But most would not know because what they were taught is the only frame of referance they have.... Nakamurai Sensei talked about this allot in articles he wrote as did Obata sensei. One thing I like is when Nakamura pointed out that kneeling kata were not traditional because it was considered bad for a samurai's saya to be hitting the floor when in doors. I was at a demo where a soke from Japan was performing a Kata and his saya hit the floor a few times and I was stunned. The ryu in wich he studied was supposed to be a style that was just as important as the Yagyu style in its time. The same thing would apply to the ryu in this video. There may not be a samurai that did a behind the back Noto, but somone (her father) taught it to her and she has no reason to think anything odd about it. At the same demo I asked one of the Dan level students as he was working on a kata why he was doing a noto where they actually hould the blade horizontal then has they noto they turn the sword and saya to the normal position. His reply was "I dont know". As far as the noto being hard... I wound not say it is as hard as some people think. Any noto is hard but once you know where the sword is in relationship to your body without looking at the sword it would not matter where the sword is. She has probably done that noto a few thousand times in here experience, but you can bet she did not start with that noto. It WAS probably one of the last she was taught. There is a noto in toyama where you spin the blade then hit the handle before you noto. I refuse to learn it because there is no real need for it other than show. My 2 cents but maybe a more experienced sensei can chime in Drawdy sensei where are you !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 5:09:09 GMT
by the way that Sadatoshi Gassan blade in that video is a $50,000 sword. An unpolished blade by him is $22,000 alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2009 2:09:03 GMT
Just for information, the noto that rickyarias is speaking when you actually spin the handle and hit it after is also practiced in the tenshin shoden katori shinto ryu. The way it's been taught to me is that when you spin the sword, the blood that is on will run to the edge and when you hit it, the blood will drop off. It's supposely an ancient samurai technique. And altought it's an easy technique to do and quite fun also.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 6, 2009 2:36:52 GMT
I think I've seen that one, and if it's the one I'm thinking of I've always questioned it's...usefulness, I guess, for lack of a better word. Then again, I've never been much of a a believer in most chibur(u)i techniques...just gimme a rag...
There was a video once with one of the more well-known names (which I have forgotten) demonstrating many types of chibur(u)i and noto...it was quite a good watch. Of course, this particular "noto" was not present...
At any rate, I enjoyed that documentary when I first watched it. Though the bit where he was cutting arrows gave me pause...
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