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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 13:58:17 GMT
Can anyone tell me how they would rate a Dynasty Forge Blade such as the Bushi Line versus a Zhou Zheng Wu Forge blade of the equivalent price? I have a choice to purchase one or the other and would like to get your opinions.
Use of the blade would be for light cutting but primarily for display. Thanks guys for your thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 14:35:57 GMT
id take the bushi folded blade.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 14:55:21 GMT
Bushi. DF tend to do an amazing job on the higher-series blades, even more than the budget ones.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on May 30, 2009 15:46:28 GMT
I prefer DF to the Zheng Zhou Wu. I don't care for the way Chris Zhous factory mounts the swords... even the $3500 customs.
IMHO Fred Chens factory does a much better job.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 19:38:31 GMT
Do the 4-700 Chris Zhou Zheng Wu's (are Chris Zhou and Zheng Wu the same btw?) even have silk ito? Anyhow, you rarely see much mention of such swords, everything is Dynasty Forge/Hanwei these days.
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Post by wiwingti on May 30, 2009 19:43:38 GMT
DF all the way for me
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 18:07:42 GMT
Thanks Everyone! Does anyone know if the Bushi Forge Folded Blades are laminated, or are they Maru. What are the differences in both.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 18:37:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 18:40:44 GMT
this is from dynastys site
Forge-Folded
The Steel The Bushi Forge-Folded blades are made using a unique combination of 1095, 1080 and 1060 high-carbon steel. Starting from a 9 layer billet, the differential carbon creates an intricate Hada usually found only on Tamahagane blades. Similar to the Bushi 1095 line, the Bushi Forge-Folded line gains strength from the lack of impurities in the steel, leading to stronger resilience and durability.
The Forging Process
Each Bushi Forge-Folded blade is hand-forged and folded 8-12 times, depending on how the billet reacts to each fold. The goal is to create a near homogenous blade with an attractive Hada. All Bushi Forge-Folded blades undergo the traditional clay-tempering process. The resulting white Hamon lends the steel another layer of intricacy.
The Polishing Process
The Bushi line is given a high-grade hybrid polish. Using modern techniques and machinery, the blade is shaped and rough polished. The final stages of polishing are done by hand to ensure a smooth and elegant finish. This process, while faster than a traditional hand-polish, also tends to be more resistant to scratching and wear and tear while still displaying the Hada and Hamon, making it ideal or mid-range swords meant for either use or collection.
The Finished Blade
The Bushi Modern Forge-Folded swords are ideal for those who admire and appreciate traditional Japanese esthetic's. Our Bushi class unites meticulous craftsmanship with modern metallurgical techniques to create blades that clearly exhibit the traditional Hada and Hamon. It is this reflection of a long-established authentic process that gains these weapons an appreciation from sword enthusiasts at all levels. Our Bushi class offers great value while remaining faithful to the principles of superior Japanese sword design and esthetic's.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 0:55:24 GMT
I just checked the main FAQ on the Dynasty Forge site. It states that their swords are not laminated as they found in testing that it didn't change their performance. What is your opinions on this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 1:10:29 GMT
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jun 2, 2009 1:27:35 GMT
Oh no doubt... Chris Zhou is a talented smith . If one is willing to pay the money for him to forge a blade it will be VERY nice.
i personally don't like most of the "production " blades from his factory... but his own handmade blades are stunning....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 5:38:25 GMT
Well I can't decide, so Im going to get both! A Semi-custom Zhou Zheng Wu Forge Blade which is 8000 layers and hon-sanmai from Roninswords AND a Dynasty Forge Bushi Tri-steel forge folded Blade. I'll try and post pictures when I receive both.
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DARN YOU, SBG FORUM!! YOU ARE COMPELLING ME TO BUY THESE BEAUTIFUL WORKS OF ART!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 19:26:29 GMT
LOL you go boy, may I live vicariously through you and your sword buying adventures. I look forward to seeing both of these, but especially the Zhou Zheng from Roninswords. Are you getting the Bushi or one of the Forge Folded?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 19:31:18 GMT
The bushi line includes a tri-steel forge folded blade as well. At around 600$, i think it's the best deal out there for a sword of that level.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 23:27:15 GMT
I would have to agree with Marc here... Zheng wu has superior blades by FAR and their ability in custom fittings is pretty good. BUT they have no concept of using good woods and other materials. Forging methods are way out of the fred chen league.... the sword below was made by Zhou Zheng Wu (the blade) and the finishing finger stone work was done by him as well... It is a Hon San Mai laminate that is a 16,000 layer outer steel. It a tighter pattern than blades seen by dynasty... Video of the sword in ACTION: so how much would that cost? I just checked the main FAQ on the Dynasty Forge site. It states that their swords are not laminated as they found in testing that it didn't change their performance. What is your opinions on this? id take a guess and say the reason that thier blades arent laminated is actually because during testing they found that it didnt change the performance. modern steels perform pretty damn well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2009 1:19:40 GMT
I think he's talking about Roninswords Bushi Line. But for the Roninswords one, I am getting a custom sword made, not any of what is offered on the site. For the Dynasty Forge, I am getting the tri-steel forge folded Bushi.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2009 1:54:12 GMT
Kenpachi, I would have to disagree with you there. You would have to be really experienced as a shitoka to know and feel the difference. Dynasty does not do lamination because they quite honestly might not have the skill to do so. And if that might not be the reason I would say that it is because you could not make mass amounts of Laminated blades without a high failure rate. What testing did they have done? How exactly did they find that there was no difference? This Zheng Wu has a name that I gave it with the blessing of its owner Sensei Rich Klaas. I named the blade Koshiden- Ken, wich is the "sword of old warrior ways" rough translation. It was a $3,500 sword. But somthing in that range made and finger stone polished by Zhou himself has a number of benefits. #1 being the high polish level and good design. When I submitted the specks the pages printed were 3 feet long I specified a very thick and wide sword... Mr Zhou commented on it being an "AX" blade and did not like the idea of making it. So he found a loop hole in my specks. I specified a blade 8mm thick at habaki and 5mm at kissaki.... He met that but with a twist. The blade is 8mm then goes to a hair under 4mm in the center then flairs out to a little over 5 at the kissaki. The blade is so light as a result while still being stong and thick at the Monouchi. It also has a full 1in sori. There is not another blade like this one on the planet. And as far as I know dynasty will not make a 1 of a kind custom blade. Zhou hated every step of the blade from the fittings to the blade ( I was VERY picky ) and I thank Kenneth Hakegard for being the middle man who took alot of early morning and late night calles working on the sword. If a person was thinking about getting a Zhou blade go through kenneth. He is the Right hand of Zhou and not just some dealer. Knowing the person is friends and can go direct to zhou makes a big difference.
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Post by wiwingti on Jun 3, 2009 8:25:13 GMT
For the Dynasty Forge, I am getting the tri-steel forge folded Bushi. they are around 600.00, yes , he was talking about these.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2009 14:37:59 GMT
ricky
sorry mate i was being sarcastic, i honestly havent got a clue why they dont laminate
i just re-worded what was already said, lol, i should be in politics ;D
(man how good must it be to be a shitoka)
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