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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 16:12:32 GMT
I'd like to know if you recommend Japanese swords for blade-vs-blade fighting, and eventually which books and/or martial arts explain this concept. If not, please explain why. I'm not really much into European swords, but every opinion, as long as it is constructive, is well accepted. thank you.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 16:51:19 GMT
Blade vs blade fighting I recommend a bokken, you should never use live blades for sparring.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:02:53 GMT
AS bloodwraith dais, for sparring use bokken. Steel blades were used for the duels of ancient times, but today there is no need for that. The sword fight is called kenjutsu, and there are many schools for that. Never use live blades for sparring or 2 person kata.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:20:40 GMT
Better yet use shinai, they leave better bruises
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:31:37 GMT
But it is possible? I've been practicing with a friend for the sake of it (got a nice bruise actually) but since I'd like to get a more professional teaching on that I'd like to search for good teachers.
are there any books on Kenjutsu? is there any style specific for sword/wakizashi together?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:33:53 GMT
nah man, dont try it. you will destroy your sword, and if you tell your sensei it may get him angry
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:34:36 GMT
Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu for the Musashi style of combat with twin sword.
Regardless of how good you think you are, fighting with live steel is just asking for accidents to happen. There is a reason even the best martial arts practitioners in the world use bokkens.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:42:48 GMT
Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu for the Musashi style of combat with twin sword. Regardless of how good you think you are, fighting with live steel is just asking for accidents to happen. There is a reason even the best martial arts practitioners in the world use bokkens. And maybe because they don't feel like ruining a multi thousand dollars worth of blade Anyhow, Niten ichi ryu has nito techniques, tenshin shoden katori shinto ryu has nito, kendo has nito, and probably more ryu I don't know has nito. But DO NOT try to learn from a book. Books are for intermediate-experts and are used to strengthen the teachings from the dojo.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:59:14 GMT
I won't practice with steel, ok, but mine was more of a technical question,
but save from Musashi's Miyamoto book is there any documentation for kenjutsu?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 18:44:26 GMT
there is Otake Risuke's "the deity and the sword" of katori shinto ryu, but I doubt you're willing to shed 1000 USD for these 3 books.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 20:54:13 GMT
Holy crap. no other manual? why is this one so costly?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 21:37:10 GMT
I'm 100% positive there are other books, but this is the only one I could remember. It's so costly because it's rare, and TSKSR is also kinda rare, as far as I know.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 21:40:51 GMT
Holy crap. no other manual? why is this one so costly? You can't learn swordsmanship from books or videos. They are supplemental at best. You'll have to find a Sensei, and dedicate yourself to years of classes and costly supplies (clothing, padding, Shinai, Bokken, dues, etc). Don't even worry about using a Katana and Wakizashi, together. You have to train in both of them, separately, before being skilled enough to use them simultaneously. No classes will jump into teaching skills like that in the first day, or even the first year. Stop "practicing" with your friend. If you want to ACTUALLY learn to use a sword, untaught "practice" and sparring can lead to bad habits which will take time to unlearn when you begin classes. DO NOT purchase a sword, or at least don't expect to even be allowed to use it. Any proper class will require you have up to several years of training on a Bokken before you're allowed to begin Tameshigiri (practice cutting) with a sharp sword. On top of that, many Japanese sword-arts have rather specific requirements in the type, shape, and measurements of the swords they use. A knowledgeable Sensei will be able to point you in the direction of what swords you can use, and when you are ready to purchase them.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 21:45:34 GMT
I know I can't learn but I wanted to taste a bit of knowledge before committing to lesons.
my friend is a good kyu kendo student, possibly the best of his class. plus it is not really like a lesson.
"On top of that, many Japanese sword-arts have rather specific requirements in the type, shape, and measurements of the swords they use. A knowledgeable Sensei will be able to point you in the direction of what swords you can use, and when you are ready to purchase them." I need explanation for that.
but seriously, can no one help me instead of warning me on how bad this is and how dangerous this is (it IS a help, but a bit too catastrophic for me)? i know I have not to practice neither alone neither with a friend for learning.
and thanks to everyone who has answered until now.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 21:53:21 GMT
I know I can't learn but I wanted to taste a bit of knowledge before committing to lesons. my friend is a good kyu kendo student, possibly the best of his class. plus it is not really like a lesson. "On top of that, many Japanese sword-arts have rather specific requirements in the type, shape, and measurements of the swords they use. A knowledgeable Sensei will be able to point you in the direction of what swords you can use, and when you are ready to purchase them." I need explanation for that. but seriously, can no one help me instead of warning me on how bad this is and how dangerous this is (it IS a help, but a bit too catastrophic for me)? i know I have not to practice neither alone neither with a friend for learning. We really can't help you much. The information you want is in books that cost quite a bit. If your friend takes classes, and you want a "taste", why not sit in on a class? That's the only way you're going to get the information you want. Books can't teach you this kind of information, nor can videos. Proper technique can only be conveyed through a knowledgeable instructor who is present to both teach, as well as point out and fix your flaws. If you want to learn swordsmanship, that's just the way things are. I know people don't like to believe that, since we live in a world where knowledge and products are expected instantly; click-and-receive. Alas, swordsmanship is an art that doesn't conform to the modern world. It's a vestigial remnant of the way things were, practiced for various reasons but warfare and personal defense really aren't among them. If you don't like the answer, I apologize. I wish I could lie to you and point you to a book that will give you a grasp on the basics of a sword-art, but it's not going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 2:25:52 GMT
Speaking of days gone by, here is some very old footage, chech out the sparks @ 55 seconds.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 6:47:21 GMT
It is not like I do not appreciate the answers, actually I think of them very useful (I DID thank them in my last post) but a bit too catastrophic. I cannot take classes, I have gone for university elsewhere and I do not believe knowledge is a thing grasped in moments. I know it is not an art that can be applied to everyday life, but it is a way of dedication and effort, and much more elegant than learning how to use a firearm. better an unpleasant truth than an useless lie
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 6:53:58 GMT
I would focus on university and worry about swords later, no offense. I am in the same situation and uni is important, far more important that swords (yep blasphemy I know but uni may allow you to have swords later). Catastrophic, that is the word I would use for people who play at sparring without understanding and anyone who considers using live blades to spar with. HR: wow! you were actually almost nice, that isn't like you, are you feeling alright?!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 7:09:42 GMT
I do focus on college XD but I'm human, I need distractions XD
and that vintage video clip was really nice, thank you spud
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 9:04:45 GMT
I know it is not an art that can be applied to everyday life, but it is a way of dedication and effort, and much more elegant than learning how to use a firearm. What makes you think learning to use a firearm with proficiency doesn´t take dedication and effort? No matter what you wanna learn, if you wanna learn it properly, it always take dedication and time...any short cuts you take in this process will just cheat you.
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