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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 1:25:12 GMT
i hope he is going to appologuise for playing ninja baseball bad "tamagashiris " now! (lol did you see the appropriately named 'toss cutting'... honestly the cutting was really toss) WTF is tamagashiris? really bad tameshigiri of leaves? lol This is the training section , and by offerinng training in a very public way, Greg has, like it or not, made himself, and his training topical to this board.... now that just downright sickens me. he doesnt even play ninja that well.... sure some of it is funny.... but not all of it.... (which is of course the true ninja goal) i am obviously much more ninja than this guy, he cant cut, he cant teleport, he cant control his rin, hell he doesnt even have a ninja head plate. straight up i want this guy a ninja showdown !!!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 2:52:59 GMT
Marc, I've raised my concerns about where this could lead, I'm not here to debate the issue, I'm not here to convince anyone about anything. Take from it what you will, do as you like, it was voicing a concern, period.
Cold Napalm,
I commend what your doing in the way of teaching, i taught for almost 30yrs so i can understand your feelings. Now that i know what prompted you to post this in the first place it makes more sense. If you had mentioned this in the initial post I'm sure it would have been seen in a completely different light but as you said emotions are running high & its hard sometimes to put it into words that are not going to get us banned.
If anyone wishes to PM me about this, that's fine as I don't want to post here any further.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 3:17:53 GMT
Marc, I've raised my concerns about where this could lead, I'm not here to debate the issue, I'm not here to convince anyone about anything. Take from it what you will, do as you like, it was voicing a concern, period. hey i was only having a laugh. lol, like a real ninja would!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 4:14:47 GMT
kenpachi316 that's OK mate, we can all benefit from a good laugh, ninja or otherwise from time to time. ;D
This subject seems to have taken root in many sites like a weed & is almost as imposed to irradiate once a single seed in sown. While i have no problem with people discussing most things, I've only seen it degenerate into pure venom far past the point of rational thought, to an emotion fed feeding frenzy on other sites.
Many good people get hurt in the cross fire & i simply would like to avoid the "potential" of this happening here. I think our mods have the ability to pull the reins in if need be but never underestimate the speed at which this subject gains momentum.
Sadly this is not going to go away for any of us as both side have dug very, very deep trenches & are not going to ever relent, hey its yet another side of human nature & to date I've not know anyone who isn't human.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 4:38:07 GMT
Well the stem of the issue I believe is from Bullshido, if that's the site where they discuss fake martial artists. I'm pretty sure all of it stemmed from there. I'm not sure who brought it here first, I know I've spoken about it a couple times, but I personally feel everyone should be alert to him and several others on youtube who spread blatant lies and completely silly/dangerous "techniques."
I could name at least five others I think that are just as bad as him.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 5:58:42 GMT
Spud, if I posted the first three drafts I wrote up, I would not have blamed any mods for removing the post and writing a stern warning letter to me...and the very first letter was umm...not very family friendly in the least. Hence why the short intro to the thread...I needed a bit of a cool down. And Marc actually did a wonderful job afterwards with what issue I had the video as it pertains to sword training (thanks again Marc).
As far as Greg Park´s history in this forum...actually it´s pretty rare. Before the infamous mat cutting video that drew a lot of focus on him, he was I think mentioned on a thread about mountanious who is student of his and his umm colorful wardrobe choice mostly...along with how bad his sword technique was. And that was about it other then small pokes of OMG that is some bad swordmanship. In the past he was thought of as mostly harmless and pretty much ignored as not related to what we do. He is becoming more of a focus in this forum (and others) recently because that view is starting to change...especially after that mat cutting video for us anyways (the martial arts forum had another catalyst much earlier...but that is irrelevant to this forum and thread).
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Post by shadowhowler on May 4, 2009 12:04:52 GMT
I wouldn't be the least surprised if this fellow suddenly issues a defamation lawsuit against us. Hell, maybe I just gave him the idea by saying that. Ah yes, the great American traddition... anything you don't like or don't agree with... sue it. I love my country, but I am not a big fan of the knee-jerk overly litigious direction it has taken of late.
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Post by randomnobody on May 4, 2009 17:26:44 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 22:17:17 GMT
I always understood it as the weapon follows a form and a function to do with it's design, when one uses a weapon whether in serious practice or just "getting a feel" the design of the weapon dictates how the weapon wants to move. This is true of any weapon whether it be a 4 inch knife or a 50 inch sword. It is also about integration as well, if you can make a weapon your own, an extension of self, then the weapon will speak to you in ways that a weapon you aren't attuned to never can. The best cuts and forms come from a weapon that has become an extension of self.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on May 4, 2009 22:21:26 GMT
I always understood it as the weapon follows a form and a function to do with it's design, when one uses a weapon whether in serious practice or just "getting a feel" the design of the weapon dictates how the weapon wants to move. . Yeah... we are saying the same thing... that is exactly what I meant... and I'm pretty sure was thee intention of the original statement...
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2009 13:41:15 GMT
You could almost also say that you have attuned or fit yourself around the weapon to utilize its uniqueness The Japaneses sword is not really ergonomic and we have to constantly train just to hold it. If we want to use it effectively we have to mold ourselves to it. so that a oneness our union takes place. Raven
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2009 15:39:02 GMT
I think that the only way you need to mold yourself the the katana is if you start later in life, someone who grows up handling the katana would find it very comfortable and rather ergonomic( what do you mean by that?). Personally the only reason I don't like katana is that I haven't found one that meshes with me well, even though I have been around swords and martial arts for most of my life. I find that my body type is really rather good when it comes to using a katana. I have isolated my discomfort with certain weapons and it generally comes down to length and balance, anything with a blade longer that 26" is not going to suit me and anything with a tsuka less than 12" or a balance point further than 4" from the guard all spell disaster for my ability to attune to a sword. I am very particular though, especially because the way I view my weapons, more so my swords though.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2009 16:17:10 GMT
You could almost also say that you have attuned or fit yourself around the weapon to utilize its uniqueness The Japaneses sword is not really ergonomic and we have to constantly train just to hold it. If we want to use it effectively we have to mold ourselves to it. so that a oneness our union takes place. Raven I think the problem is that people don't WANT to learn how to hold a katana, It doesn't take much effort just a look at a proper grip and then adjust your grip to match. Of course training is required to become properly in tune with the blade but the same goes for any weapon.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 5:41:00 GMT
Dare I say that the grip (tenouchi) is a constantly changing emphasis of stages of shiburi (wringing motion). I personally don't think one can just look at a picture of holding a katana and therefore you have got it all. Though it is a good start. There are many stages between the relaxed beginning of a cut which will give speed of execution and the full locked grip at the point of impact which will carry through the cut and with all body dynamics in place will allow sword control (tome) at the end of the cut then transition again with the grip to a relaxed state to be ready to accelerate into another cut. The handling of a sword is a dynamic process. Training does help with this control.
Well I think. Raven
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 6:40:13 GMT
I think we all all agree that musashi did not mean for anyone to take his words in the manner that greg parks did.
As for a proper grip...I´m with raven on this one. You just can´t learn something like from a book very well. Explaining body dynamics in person is hard enough...but in a book?!? I can´t fathom how to even begin.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 6:55:49 GMT
I mean basic grip, if you roam around on youtube/youtube groups you'll find that most "backyard cutters" don't want to hear a lick of advice in any means, that's my only point. Obviously proper training is superior to "looking at a picture" but if you look around you'll see that 70% of youtube's sword wielding populace NEEDS to learn the basic grip, advanced complexes don't matter as much as your basic grip. Basic grip though can be learned from maybe a paragraph and a picture.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 13:22:03 GMT
Yep, but personally I find that when I have accomplished one aspect of something, I always find that this opens more doors to my own ineptitude.
Some don't wish to change and become fixed which I personally find kind of sad. Yeah, I get a bit fixed, but am trying to learn.
I suppose one has to be open to ones own short comings and always try to be a perpetual beginner.
I guess it is that old saying "the more you know, the more you realise how much you don't know). Raven
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 13:29:54 GMT
Just in case you thought it was about you,I have to say that my ramblings were about the "You tube" mentality that you mentioned and I was therefore pondering. Raven
Sorry for double post but after reading I thought this was needed.
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Post by Avery on May 6, 2009 22:38:20 GMT
You know,...I still can't transition from a hammer grip to a handshake grip on a katana and get it to work, no matter how much I practice, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong!........
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 23:00:14 GMT
You know,...I still can't transition from a hammer grip to a handshake grip on a katana and get it to work, no matter how much I practice, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong!........ At least you know something is wrong...I have seen a lot of the self taught people do it wrong and not even realize they are doing it wrong and muddle their way through with their cutting. Unfortunately my ability to explain it via internet isn´t gonna help you...if you can´t find somebody in person then maybe try and get the a copy of the LE reclaiming the blade. They have a training video that shows and explains holding a katana pretty well in it.
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