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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 19:02:56 GMT
I want to show you a movie from my and my friend's demonstration fight in Muzeum Historyczne Mista Krakowa(Krakow City History Museum). We tried to be very careful during fight because of old and valuable paintings and furniture all around us(who organised a swordfigt in the middle of so expensiwe and antique things-I have no idea)Fortunately there were no damage I am sorry for a low quality and a terrible sound...making movie with digital camera and than changing .mov to .avi isn't the best idea-but we chad no other choice this time
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 19:20:23 GMT
Im impressed, although it is a quite slow paced fight, its pretty cool, those suits you're wearing are cool aswell!
So wait, who won? LOL was it you or your friend who lost his sword?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 19:51:19 GMT
That was really cool. The armor was impecable. Do they own that armor? I know they were only doing a demo at slow speed but they did a good job of demonstrating how diagonal blow are not effective against a kite shield (they would work against a round shield). That is what the corners are there for. What they need are on-side horizontal cuts that go accross the top flat surface of the shield, off-side horizontal shots that come down over the shield line and wraps with the false edge that reach around the shield. I know the space and perhaps safety restrictions did not allow for this at the demo but I'm just putting it out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 19:54:38 GMT
On the movie it looks slower ..I think it is compresing process's fault Well we both lost our swords...at first my friend disarmed me with a sinple trick and than i used his own sword's cross to hit his head twice before stabbing his back:) Of course It was only a demo fight -no violence,no blood tsafa -yes the armours are our.We tried to avoid horizontal cuts and other possibly dangerous actions.There were people sitting on the chairs,and a piano,old furniture and paintings 200 years old or more..worth possibly 10times more than our equipement I had to be carefull because my friend is a longswordsman-he had only 2 days to prepare this demo as a shieldman with little previous experience( it can be seen when you wath carefully-I hit him at least 5 times..and he doesn't hit my armour at all) So for a demonstration it was as fast and agressive as it coud be without taking any risk and without damageing equipement(they don't pay us THAT much )
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Post by ShooterMike on Apr 5, 2007 2:59:02 GMT
Elchon, that is a most impressive fight. Especially under the circumstances and surroundings. I recognized your helmet right off. It's very distinctive. I also noticed you got under his shield and made contact with his left ribs, lower abdomen and hip a number of times. Good shots! Very nice. Thank you for posting this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 8:27:05 GMT
I noticed that one of the knights made good use of a low cut to the legs at one point. Also, watching that sword go flying made me happy. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 8:55:55 GMT
that was really cool. and lol I did see you were the better of that fight at least getting through the others deffences so often. I'm sure it would have been more fun in a faire fight arena without priceless treasures all around you. lol if I was in that situation I'd be so nervious of my surroundings. great job
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 8:59:49 GMT
Thanks guys.If you have any ideas how to make the show more atractive feell free to comment
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 9:36:04 GMT
I'm not sure how you intend the demos to be. But as a dancer my fist task would be coreography.
I'm afraid to most you ask what three words they think of when asked to describe sword fighting they'd say, "heroic, epic, and powerfull." well that just about describes the fight seen in "troy" between Achilles and Hector. so to make it more attractive I'd add in a few "WOW" moves (moves you and I and most the people on this forum know are impracticle but are for lack of a better word "pretty")
how do you currantly go about doing your demos?
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Post by rammstein on Apr 5, 2007 21:57:00 GMT
Elchon I have one major criticism... Show us more! That was phenomenal! I look forard to your next video, my friend Seems that you won by the way...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 6:41:10 GMT
One can have a great looking duel without sinking to Hollywood style. When you have tight choreography, well-executed beats and, most important of all, hours and hours of rehearsal, it can look exquisite.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 6:42:15 GMT
... Not that I'm saying your fight wasn't all of those things... ... Is there some sort of esoteric medieval technique for removing one's foot from one's mouth... I'm going to shut up now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 15:56:17 GMT
One can have a great looking duel without sinking to Hollywood style. When you have tight choreography, well-executed beats and, most important of all, hours and hours of rehearsal, it can look exquisite. Did I say something wrong? lol you must forgive me I'm a Theater Arts major
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 16:10:10 GMT
mcgarry, I said this yesterday somewhat, but there appears to be 3 (or more) groups of western fighters. First you have the stage combat members. I don't like these guys much because they can hardly be called "sword fighters," but hell, what they do looks cool, regardless of whether or not it is even historically plausible next you have the WMA fighters. These guys are the real deal and they work out of period manuscripts (liechtenauer, rigeck, I.33, codex wallstein, etc.). They tend to be accurate to a fault. Many people think these guys take the fun out of everything and they are admittedly often fairly elitist. However, I personally like their art because I am greatly into historical accuracy. They are also attempting to change their image and succeeding well. Obviously, I know they are MANY wma people who are nice and kind. However, there are quite a few of them who are categorized as "elitist" in my book Finaly you have the SCA. These guys are basically the bridge between flowery stage combat and upright, rigorous wma. They are "somewhat" historically correct, but they don't go about twirling their swords and doing backflips . FIghting is hard, heavy, and VERY fun, but safty is the paramount issue that SCA focuses on. No hits below the thigh is a good example. Now, I'd say that the VAST majority of western themed members here fall into one of the last two group's mindset, even if they don't actively participate in the arts. I, for one, lean heavily towards WMA, however I have great respect for the SCA, and a little for stage combat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 18:03:19 GMT
I have always taken the opinion that it is good to experiance all. You will learn things in one that you will not in the other.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2007 11:03:43 GMT
I meant no offense. It's just that there have been some out-and-out ridiculous sword duels in movies of late-though some are trying to do better-and many people expect actual swordsmanship to be all Jedi flips and blade twirling. ... One example that leaps to mind is "Troy," in the duel between Achilles and Hector. It was as though the choreographer said, "Okay, we're gonna have Brad Pitt lean forward in a thrust directly into an upraised shield, and have him push away the blocking Hector (with a thrust?! Hector must've had a crappy stance...) and then we'll have him pose for five or ten seconds. ... Yeah. Sometimes it gets silly. ... But it's just the movies. ... I'm sorry if I torqued anyone off. ... Okay. Bye. (*Whistles nervously*) Awkward...
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