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Post by Avery on Apr 9, 2009 22:44:35 GMT
And yet another reason why swords will be registered just like guns in the future. What a sad, sad incident.
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Post by ecovolo on Apr 9, 2009 23:47:15 GMT
I've always found the 'rapier vs. katana' discussion to ultimately break down to "It's the skill of the wielder". Or in the case of the news story, "which moron was faster" ;D.
Consider this bout between a kendo practitioner and a fencer: -- in this particular case, the fencer won (apologies if this video has been posted before; I haven't seen it yet on the forum).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 0:18:01 GMT
There can be only one...
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 10, 2009 6:20:22 GMT
Wow... what a sad story... so the guy was having a duel with his grandfather, and one of em stabed the poor woman in the middle of it somehow? Aweful. I wonder WTF they were thinking...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 12:32:29 GMT
Wow... what a sad story... so the guy was having a duel with his grandfather, and one of em stabbed the poor woman in the middle of it somehow? Awful. I wonder WTF they were thinking... I think the question probably is "WTF were they drinking?" And yes, it's a terrible story. And the press will probably blame the swords, rather than the booze. Marc E
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 10, 2009 13:54:52 GMT
It's not the swords, and it's not the booze, either. Even when I had no swords, and no guns, my house/home/dorm room/barracks room was absolutely CHOCK FULL of things I could hurt people with. (For quite a while, I had a three foot piece of 3/8" rebar wrapped in duct tape.)
The blame should fall on at least one of the two men, probably both.
You are the motive actor. Everything else is just a tool. Focusing on the tool to the exclusion of the man, woman or child using it is simply asinine.
Someone decided to be stupid and start a fight with a deadly weapon. That's all that matters. They could have used screwdrivers, pistols, shotguns, hammers, cricket bats (Shaun of the Dead shout-out!), whatever.
In one of his newsletters back in the 80s, Jeff Cooper posed the question "Why do men fight?" Submissions, responses, answers and suggestions poured in. The winning answer, after much careful deliberation, was that men fight "because they like to."
Sometimes these things just happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 16:47:35 GMT
Yea kilted pretty much hit it on the head. I think it's one of those DNA, primative things. I mean I bet everyone of the males on this forum used to pick up sticks and play sword fight as kids. (not saying the women here didn't but probably not 100% of them) hehe This articles just goes to prove....don't take a sword to a gun fight, and don't take 'nothing' to a sword fight.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 17:22:53 GMT
What a sad story - it does show the risk of intervening in a fight - if you try to get between two people to separate them in a fist fight, odds are pretty high you're going going to get hit a few times. Seems the same goes for sword fights. This is just another sad domestic dispute - with unusual weapons
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 17:27:36 GMT
And yet another reason why swords will be registered just like guns in the future. What a sad, sad incident. I agree completely Avery.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 19:12:35 GMT
And yet another reason why swords will be registered just like guns in the future. What a sad, sad incident. I agree completely Avery. has potential to make it easier to recover stolen blades, if they are registered using some kind of SN or such. Hmm actually kind of sucks because that means something will need to be done to designate them in the first place. OK forget it, bad idea.
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Post by Avery on Apr 10, 2009 19:23:14 GMT
What really pisses me off is the fact legislators simply don't understand their laws are worthless. To qoute Utah phillips " ahhh judge, good people don't need your laws and the bad people don't obey'em, so what good are they?"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 23:12:50 GMT
What really pisses me off is the fact legislators simply don't understand their laws are worthless. To qoute Utah phillips " ahhh judge, good people don't need your laws and the bad people don't obey'em, so what good are they?" Hope I'm not taking this too seriously, but . . . Law is order, and good law is good order. ~ Aristotle Good people do need laws. Traffic laws, property laws, laws that set up the courts where good people can go to settle honest disputes. Laws that fairly apportion justice to those that wrong their fellow man. Laws that protect the people from abuse by their government. In Somalia there are very few laws, very little government and even less justice. How is that working for them? The question really is: How many laws are needed and what should be regulated? Does a large complex society need more laws than a small and simple one? Common sense can not be legislated, but the consequences of bad decisions sometimes have to be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 23:48:32 GMT
This is going to get political (and religious) rather quickly.
When laws punished bad behavior (vs. laws coercing good behavior) there were fewer laws and greater freedom. Other institutions were involved in coercing/encouraging good behavior--peers, family, church--not government agencies!
I saw this story yesterday and thought of posting it, but it was just so bizaar. How do people today get embroiled in a fight with swords? Any details?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 6:13:04 GMT
cant be mad at an old fashioned duel in japan people would spectate and watch and not get involved at all. that lady should have just watched or pulled out the 12 guage in the closet and show those two who the real duelist was
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Post by Avery on Apr 12, 2009 0:22:27 GMT
What really pisses me off is the fact legislators simply don't understand their laws are worthless. To qoute Utah phillips " ahhh judge, good people don't need your laws and the bad people don't obey'em, so what good are they?" Hope I'm not taking this too seriously, but . . . Law is order, and good law is good order. ~ Aristotle Good people do need laws. Traffic laws, property laws, laws that set up the courts where good people can go to settle honest disputes. Laws that fairly apportion justice to those that wrong their fellow man. Laws that protect the people from abuse by their government. In Somalia there are very few laws, very little government and even less justice. How is that working for them? The question really is: How many laws are needed and what should be regulated? Does a large complex society need more laws than a small and simple one? Common sense can not be legislated, but the consequences of bad decisions sometimes have to be. I agree completly, I was just being a bit facetious when I made my comment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 19:07:07 GMT
I can't even get flippant with this one, apparently one of the two men killed a loved one; for the elder gent, it was his wife, for the younger one, it was his grandmother.
Whatever happened to good ole fashioned fisticuffs? Used to be a time where you could settle your differences and be done with it; it needn't go all Hatfields and McCoys.
Got to make better decisions; a duel is a life and death situation, and should be approached as such. A hard, bitter lesson learned for those two. My prayers are with'm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2009 18:31:44 GMT
If I had the power, I would ban all weapon laws Then make sure there were laws that punished harshly using weapons to commit a crime, or in the commission of a crime. With the citizens free to go about armed, the crooks would be scared to assault anybody. Sure, maybe a few hotheads would create some fights or duels, but then they would be punished. Violent felons would lose their right to carry arms. The fatalities would prune the gene pool. Society as a whole would be much nicer ;D
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 20, 2009 18:35:07 GMT
Your first sentence, the idea kind is kind of broken...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2009 18:41:36 GMT
This was an awesome assumption. Strangely, it makes me wonder. Any of the perps named McLeod, Kurgan, or Ramirez?
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