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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 0:21:46 GMT
WOW, that octagonal room is mind blowing. The elephant armor is also amazing. Every picture you posted was awesome.
Lots of karma to you Kingrat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 2:00:26 GMT
I just love how the different armoursmiths had all these unique takes on armour, I get an idea that the lord comes back end of the week after a campaign "Look Rob this gorgot kinda rubs on the chin can you beat it out a bit" ........ such an interesting concept it must of been all this was as once a part of daily life as cars and tv's
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Post by sparky on Mar 14, 2009 2:31:10 GMT
Awesome pictures KingRat, my wife would have had to drag me out of there ;D
Got a question though, don't know if you can answer it or if tsafa would be better to ask. Could people see well enough out of the helmets? It just looks like they would restrict your field of vision to much. Though I guess the extra protection offered was worth it, because they used them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 5:49:34 GMT
Sparky, I have tried those helmets. The visibility sucks. The visors were only worn down while charging on horseback or walking into a rain of arrows. On foot, as you approach the enemy, the visor is lifted and you fight as if it is an open face helm. On foot, not only can't you see any thing under your chest level that is closer then 20 feet, but you can hardly breath well. The harder you breath, the more of your own carbon dioxide you breath back in. It also presents problems being heard as you call out commands and hearing others despite earholes and mouthholes.
So the short answer is that the extra protection is not worth the risks. People on foot fought with the visors up took their chances.
I have seen some other late period visors that had larger breathing holes and bar grills. Of course, the protection is only slightly improved from and open face helmet since a well place sword point will go straight in. That T-faced Barbute is a very practical choice for fighting on foot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 9:54:35 GMT
Awesome pictures KingRat, my wife would have had to drag me out of there ;D Got a question though, don't know if you can answer it or if tsafa would be better to ask. Could people see well enough out of the helmets? It just looks like they would restrict your field of vision to much. Though I guess the extra protection offered was worth it, because they used them. As tsafa said the visor would severely restrict you view, and breathing, so they would generally leave them open, closing the visor at the last minute or leaving it open for foot combat. Some of the more experienced soldiers would choose to remove the visor completely. As an example Henry V was hit in the face by an arrow at the Battle of Shrewsbury, presumably he had left his visor up so that he could see and communicate.
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Post by sparky on Mar 14, 2009 11:56:19 GMT
This is what I like about SBG, answers to questions!!!! There is a lot of knowledge here, so thank you tsafa and KingRat . It's funny I never thought about breathing, I can see now where that would be an issue. Kinda like wearing a dust mask at work, when I exert myself I'd rather not wear one for the same reason.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 16:45:49 GMT
Wow! That first picture is amazing! They are all great. Nice job Kingrat Thank you so much for posting these. Karma to the King! Debbie
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 22:13:22 GMT
The room in the first picture is pretty cool, its a fantastic way of displaying things that would otherwise end up hidden away in a store room otherwise. Its called the Hall of Steel. it has a spiral stair case up the out side with more arms on the outer wall. You can look through the round windows you can see so you can get a closer look at what’s hanging up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 17:03:11 GMT
Awesome pics King!!! I'll ask a Senior mod if they can be transferred to the History Forums under the Other traditional weapons or sword history subsection. Have karma for the great pics
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 19:21:13 GMT
Awesome pics King!!! I'll ask a Senior mod if they can be transferred to the History Forums under the Other traditional weapons or sword history subsection. Have karma for the great pics Please feel free to move it if you think it would be more apropriate on the history section KR
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 20:20:22 GMT
awesome photos KR
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 18:21:13 GMT
very nice photos kingrat. I hope to make it up to the R-A next year. Also, need to get to the Fitzwilliam Museum...as many times as we've been in Cambridge (my wife was born in Newmarket) never gotten around to visiting there. Did manage to go to the Tower last trip over....some cool things there....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 2:56:13 GMT
Sparky, I have tried those helmets. The visibility sucks. The visors were only worn down while charging on horseback or walking into a rain of arrows. On foot, as you approach the enemy, the visor is lifted and you fight as if it is an open face helm. On foot, not only can't you see any thing under your chest level that is closer then 20 feet, but you can hardly breath well. The harder you breath, the more of your own carbon dioxide you breath back in. It also presents problems being heard as you call out commands and hearing others despite earholes and mouthholes. So the short answer is that the extra protection is not worth the risks. People on foot fought with the visors up took their chances. I have seen some other late period visors that had larger breathing holes and bar grills. Of course, the protection is only slightly improved from and open face helmet since a well place sword point will go straight in. That T-faced Barbute is a very practical choice for fighting on foot. Wow, these picks are fantastic! If I get over to England again I gotta visit that place. I read something the other day regarding the visibility in the helmets. It said something about they all had there own squires or helpers that went with them to point them in the right direction since they couldn't see. I have a hard time believing it was that bad, my guess is they could see straight ahead ok, just not very well side to side. I agree with you tsafa that they probably wore them when charging on horseback and pulled them up in close combat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 4:48:57 GMT
great pics looks like a great place i was in leeds but never went
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