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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 0:19:04 GMT
Just wanted to ask those that have done full wraps. How do you get the kashira end flat with the same? Mine has small ramps on both sides so that the ito is even with the kashira. Also, where does the emperor node usually go? I have looked at authentic japanese katana and most seem to be near the last or at the last diamond fold. If that is true then I'm in a bit of trouble (node is near the 4th or 5th diamond from the kashira end.) Suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 8:51:49 GMT
Hey Charlie,
I'm not exactly understanding your question about the kashira end. Could you post a picture for me?
The emporer or king node is usually on the omote side near the kashira end as you say. I've seen it vary from the last to about the forth diamond, depending on other wrap factors :-) Where are your menuki being placed...?
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Post by slav on Mar 3, 2009 17:11:25 GMT
I prefer to place my menuki in the "gyaku" configuration, so I have placed my emperor node above the menuki (toward the fuchi) on the omote side, since it would otherwise be covered by the omote menuki.
Skip, is this acceptable?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 21:48:42 GMT
Hi Skip, Right now I'm at work, but when I get home I'll post a pic of the tsuka up. About the menuki, 3rd diamond down from Fuchi on Omote. Looks like the node won't be much of a problem now. ;D BTW, Skip, I was reading some info on SFI, this is what I mean about the "ramp." forums.swordforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=75611&d=1212673179I'm just curious how you would wrap this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 2:45:51 GMT
BTW, here is the pic. Sorry couldn't get a better one. Camera died! But I did quick paint to show how "ramping" is is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 8:47:26 GMT
Hey Guys,
First, let me say I'm not an expert by any measure ok? :-) I have my "ideas" and "understandings" but there is allways someone who knows more and better :-)
I have seen tsuka with the node in various places allthough ussually near the kashira on the omote is the way its done by most obviously :-) As to which diamond, well, here it gets a bit tricky. With the normal menuki placemant of the omote menuki being near the fuchi, you have all of the final diamonds to choose from. For gyaku placemant, I've seen the node sharing the last diamond with the end knot, or the next diamond, but cant recall seeing one with the node above the menuki like you say Slav. I havent tried that way myself yet, but would never rule it out either.
Some times I'll sacrifice traditional "ways" of things if I'm going after a "look" Not structural stuff, but the eye candy stuff :-) I just finished the tsuka on the "other" KC Hira and the node ended up in the 4th or 5th diamond on the omote, using a katate maki ( battle wrap ) Thats were it looked best. To me :-) Plus the length of the tsuka and the length of the same' came into play as well... Another recent tsuka had the node in the first diamond shared with the end knot... gyaku menuki placemant. Thats where it looked best...and again, skin and mount specs kind of dictated it as well...
So, I think its safe to say that the placemant of the node depends. Do your best to get the biggest node centered right in the middle of "the" diamond and your doing well :-) Not as easy as one may think.
The ramp. I am sure there is a "correct" term for this, but it escapes me. When I think ramp, I think of something going up, when infact, what your talking about for the end knots is actually going down. But I get your point. It does make for a much cleaner looking knot, and also I've found actually helps me to get the knot tighter and better shaped. It takes a bit of practice to get them just right and will depend on things like ito used and same' thickness as well. Just to throw another curve into the road, what about a ramp under the emperor node...? I've seen some tsuka where it looks like the darn thing is going to burst throught the ito and wrap :-) I think of the depressions for knots and menuki more like divets, and the "bump" under the same' where the node is as a ramp :-)
Any of that make sense? Charliegone, I cant tell much with the picture you posted. Maybe a differant view would help. I cant tell if there are same' panels installed or not either... Any chance of better pictures ?
Love these threads. :-) This stuff is fun isnt it?
Take care ,
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Post by slav on Mar 4, 2009 10:51:26 GMT
Thanks for that, Skip. Charlie, is that rayskin or rawhide? My eyes may be tricking me but it looks rather smooth and I'm not seeing nodes...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 20:13:02 GMT
Regarding the handle, I have not yet installed the same. Right now I am just test fitting the same for shrinkage, etc. It looks like I might have to remove more wood material near the fuchi side. As for the kings node, it looks like it will be ok. I would have liked to have near the last one, but well same won't let me Still I'm ok with it at the 4th or 5th diamond. I'm guessing when I do the "ramping" and glue the same on it will conform to the shape of the tsuka correct? I think I got what you were saying Skip. Concerning the node on top of the ramp, looks like I won't have to worry about that now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 23:59:24 GMT
Hey Guys,
I was wondering about that. I couldnt tell if I was seeing the woods grain, or if panels were on their :-)
The tsuka does still seem to have a bit of material to still be removed. Its actually kind of hard to get use to how small a wood core can become prior to the same' application.
Good luck. Are you going to post more pictures? Take care,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 4:47:52 GMT
Hi Skip, Yes I will be posting more pics. So far this is how it looks like with the test fit. I didn't get tight enough it appears But it gave me a good idea on how much I need to sand off still. Here you go. Those dark patches you see under the same are the meguki holes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 5:19:23 GMT
Ok guys and gals, I did a practice wrap today to see how well everything fit. Before that though, I noticed the node wasn't really in the middle (horizontally wise) Errr frustrating so I had no choice but to cut it out and shift. That yellow spot you see is the replacement same. (still haven't placed the node in yet) It will be in the same place so it won't that noticeable. The full wrap, even though I did end up sanding more of the tsuka, still made it pretty thick. So it looks very beefy, but I'll tell you it is tough! Well what's done is done and I'll chalk it up as a lesson learned. Looks l still need work on my folding and wrapping skills, so I'll keep practicing until I get nice diamonds. Any pointers or advice on what to do now? I'm working on the hishigami, for the real wrap. Hmmm not too sure of the menuki, if the orientation is/or would be correct. BTW, pics Nishinjin fittings: brass darkened higo fuchi & kashira, sakura and fan menuki (I really like these.) Umetoe Tsuba also from Nishinjin, silver colored seppa from Sabyr imports (on ebay), Sageo on saya is also from Nishinjin.
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