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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 2:45:06 GMT
Hello all I jsut came across these two swords ; www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Swiss_Broad_Sword_AH-3274.html www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/German_Basket-hilt_Sword_AH-4109.htmlBeeing a fan of these types of basket-hilted swords, I am quite tempted to take the plunge with one of these two blades. However, I am also aware of Deepeka reputation ; nearly all the reviews made about Deepeka tell about their durability and quality control (most of these swords seem to fall apart if they do anything other than beeing left alone on a wall). But, a few text mention that some Deepeka's product are battle-ready and can be used has backyard cutters (as long as you don't expect to get much more than what you pay for ...). Anyway, what do you think about these ? Any ideas or suggestions on other places where I could get similar swords ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 21:50:01 GMT
*bump*
Guess I am aiming for a very narrow niche lol.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Feb 22, 2009 22:07:41 GMT
hmm... I don't know, mate. All I've ever heard about deepeka was Daniel's infamous review of his Charlemagne sword. Maybe you should PM Daniel about it? he seems to be pretty good at answering questions like this...
I hope this helps!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 22:28:08 GMT
I own a few deepeekas, my first blades, they havent ever seemed weighted or sound enough to cut with, so much expoxy filling the gaps in places I wonder if thats all thats keep some of them together
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 22, 2009 22:37:22 GMT
Yo, Sebastion, I only have one Deepeeka gladius so I was gonna let someone with more experience with the brand answer, but what the hell, I'll weigh in.
The gladius I have has a good enough tang for cutting tho the steel is kinda soft. I was able to bend it a bit fairly easily so I wonder about the heat treat ect....
I plan on sharpening it up and trying some cutting someday.
I'd be a little leary of trying that with a longer Deepeeka model.
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Post by hotspur on Feb 22, 2009 22:51:21 GMT
*bump* Guess I am aiming for a very narrow niche lol. Not so much a narrow niche but few worthy candidates for serious use. I find your muse about "they're not for use, they're just fer lookin' at" is quite truly the case for most of Deepeeka's offerings. In looking at both that you linked, I would be quite afraid to lean on the Swiss designation very hard. It has a very slim profile when compared to the blade width. The other looks like it might have a bolkier tang but again, there is nothing I can find on the Deepeeka site (looking at the source itself) that lists these as anything but for show. While KOA has listed some of the newer offerings as usable, these you list have bever been offered as bashable by any retailer I know of. Deepeeka themselves did make mention of some being sturdy enough for the manipulators. I don't believe they list any of them as having been ground to geometry beneficial for cutting. That doesn't mean one couldn't and prove that it can be used lightly. If you have followed my thoughts in general regarding the market, you know I can only ask myself why folk spend the money (time and again) to try finding the lowest possible denominator in trying to prove "well, it's not bad for the cost". You also probably know I can only roll my eyes at the truly anachronistic nature of a great number of budget swords. I really believe that there is less urge for most once they have spent some time at least looking at what hese swords once really looked like. I myself have been guilty of buying bad looking swords just (in the end) to prove a poor excuse for a sword can be excused. I see very little from Deepeeka I give the time of day other than regarding the swarf they make as swords is of little use other than display or costume. some of the armour but very little of the swords are of much true value except the truly wasteful. Again, there are times myself where I make excuses for lesser true bargains. I recently bought a couple of decorators for the scabbards themselves and it proved to be the swords (while junk themselves) were at least easier on the eye than the scabbards that proved useless for my needs. Cheers Hotpsur; while bemoaning the lack of opportunity for examples such as these, don't end up bemoaning how you might have spent your money |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 22:54:44 GMT
It is sad, the quality of Deepeeka products, as backyard cutters seems quite low. It is sad because I am a big fan of straight-bladed basket-hilt swords, especially rarer types, like the Schiavon... Shcis..Svh... (you know which one I am talking about ...), and broadswords from central Europe (swiss, germany). Deepeeka is the only producer to offer this type of sword, at a sub-300$ price, and I am desperatly trying to find out if these two swords are more than high-priced wallhangers (I e-mailled kult of Athena and Deepeeka for more info). Deepeeka also offer Schiavonas (is that the right seplling ?), yeah they offer TWO different schiavonas. All these swords are priced less than 150 $, but they all are more than 30'' in lenght, a bad thing if Deepeeka use soft steel  Anyway, I am still hoping that I will receive good feedback about these swords, but I doubt I will get what I am hopping for. |
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Post by hotspur on Feb 22, 2009 22:58:25 GMT
Armour Class
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 2:12:20 GMT
Thank you Hotspur, that post was a very interesting and informative read.
I know about Armor Class, I like their products and heard good things about them. However, they are above the price I am willing to spend for a sword right now.
I agree that many sub 300 $ swords are far from perfect, on the historical accuracy side.
However, with my current budget and interest, I am willing to make sacrifices to get a backyard cutter that fits in my budget and that has mediocre historical accuracy. I am interested by a very varied lot of swords, so I am not interested in saving lots of money for a single higher-end replica (but I respect those who do that; saving for higher priced and higher quality products). I guess I am, for now, one of the few who has a quantity over quality mindset, in sword collecting.
For now, I am trying to know if these swords can make at least light backyard cutters (which seems very unlikely ...), and know if some producers offer similar broadswords in my price range (sub 300 $).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 2:32:21 GMT
Rip the fittings off the deepeeka if it is crap and put it on a better blade, depending on if the fittings are good or not as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 3:11:35 GMT
Sounds like a good idea 'mate, I will keep it in mind if I take the plunge.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 23, 2009 7:44:37 GMT
Sebastion, looking at Deepeeka's main site I get the impression they cater more to the reenactment crowd, . The closest information there I can find implying functionality is, Personally, I have not run across any examples that suggest their products are suitable for backyard cutting. |
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Post by musicalpoo on Feb 23, 2009 7:49:02 GMT
I'm with rick, the first review I saw on the SBG sword forum was Daniel's review of deepeka's Charlemagne sword, it broke on a coke bottle  by the way, happy birthday rick! +1 for being the rich one on the forum who can review all the swords we want to buy  |
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 23, 2009 8:13:08 GMT
Thanks, Poo, but I think you have me confused with ShooterMike. LOL
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Post by musicalpoo on Feb 23, 2009 8:25:27 GMT
lol, anyone who makes more than 10 dollars an hour is rich...because I make 5 dollars an hour but no, you AND shootermike are the rich ones! Slayer and I are the ones who always talk about buying swords but never do, Cold Napalm is like Gandalf (wise, but not always that patient with those who he is helping), and everyone else is just awesome |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 14:42:36 GMT
Just my 2 cents worth....
have a Deepeeka brass swept hilt rapier I used for years doing Elizabethan re-enacments. Great for a costume piece, not so great for much else. Not heat treated, so the slightest flex or bendong of the blade and it takes a set.
The idea of robbing the hilt parts and fitting a better blade sounds reasonable.
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Post by hotspur on Feb 23, 2009 16:45:15 GMT
There is one damaged old model Windlass schiavona still listed here www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/A000062.htmJust a thought. I can truly appreciate the quantity and variety vs quiality argument but have had a hard time from the onset regarding it reasonable for me. It has never been a matter of being rich for me but simply trying to budget reasonable acquisitions. Considering my debt lately has been entirely for antiques I'll never use regularly for cutting, I'm probably nuts to spend serious money for what amounts to wallhangers. The thing is that despite owning a lot of what appeals to me visually, it is well stocked in image files of swords I admire. It is often not what I would find appealing that has proved useful in play or at the cutting stand. Although my want for antiques seemed to balloon in a few short years, there has been a quite deliberate list that I try to hold myself to. Regardless, while stalking and trying to budget one specific sword, I still llok for bargains. I guess the methodology is not so disimilar in dream lists and window shopping but don't lose sight of what your destination is truly a goal. Cheers Hotspur; that last schiavona has been listed for more than a year |
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