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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 4:48:09 GMT
I'm interested in hearing what actual Chinese styles people are practicing.
I've done long fist sword (sancaijian and baguadao) and taichichuan (jian so far, dao hopefully soon).
Most of my sword knowledge comes from those systems. But I'm also scheduled to learn baguajian from my teacher this year.
So what Chinese systems do you practice?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 13:03:10 GMT
I'm not sure what system what I learnt came from but I did some dao and some jian, I would love to learn more but it won't be any time soon unfortunately. I always wanted to learn the style that used the shuang shou jian and learn more of the tiger hook techniques.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 2:00:02 GMT
Not too many replies.
The shuanghsou jian and tiger hooks are predominantly found in mantis systems. Some other systems have them as well, but they aren't as rare in mantis.
You'd have to have pretty good jian and dao skills first to learn those I'd guess. The progression for tiger hooks in my system is dao --> double dao ---> tiger hooks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 3:54:33 GMT
9 years in gongfu san soo (or other translations, Sanda). Mostly train with our hands but we have plenty of knowledge with weapons.
Why do you ask?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 3:10:10 GMT
Because I don't see a lot of posts about actual training on sword forums. The discussion is usually about the swords themselves but I'm a bit more interested in the training. I would like to know if anyone is actually training and where their training comes from so I can frame my posts to suit that.
It seems to me that few people are actually training but would probably like to.
Do you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 10:56:31 GMT
I want to learn Yin Yu Zhan or Huang Bo Nien systems but I heard that they were lost arts because they were only taught to KMT soldiers.
The only formal sword course I had was Krabi Krabong .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 18:12:44 GMT
I'd like to learn baguazhang
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 14:47:05 GMT
I want to learn Yin Yu Zhan or Huang Bo Nien systems but I heard that they were lost arts because they were only taught to KMT soldiers. The only formal sword course I had was Krabi Krabong . The systems they taught were baguazhang. But I guess you're referring to the dadao form, right? I say that because you mention the KMT. The dadao form is still around. One of my teachers here in Taiwan claims to know it. Yin's book is still available too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 23:48:26 GMT
I want to learn Yin Yu Zhan or Huang Bo Nien systems but I heard that they were lost arts because they were only taught to KMT soldiers. The only formal sword course I had was Krabi Krabong . The systems they taught were baguazhang. But I guess you're referring to the dadao form, right? I say that because you mention the KMT. The dadao form is still around. One of my teachers here in Taiwan claims to know it. Yin's book is still available too. Do you know where can I get Yin's book (in English ) ? I made some inquiery with my local Kungfu school but they did not reply my e-mail about Dadoa class.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 1:19:45 GMT
Yin's book isn't available in English. A friend of mine was working on it but I'm not sure where he is on the translation. As translations go, that one may not be too popular. Only sword fanatics would be interested.
Your local kungfu school won't have it. I would be extremely surprised if they did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 7:15:35 GMT
Do you know why the da dao is not as popular as other Chinese sword ? I mean it was used during WWII against the invaders and most of propraganda photo and status has soldiers, militia or peasant armed with Da dao.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 5:18:39 GMT
Hey Chessman71. I'm sorry I didn't reply to this sooner.
Basically, the swordplay I train in is from the long fist family of fighting. The form I predominately train in is Kun Wu Jian, a fairly famous sword form that seems to have a lot of variations to it, considering the differences I tend to see between forms using the same name. I also am training Qi Men Jian (though I'm not full competent in it yet), and I'm planing to self teach myself Dan Jian at some point after I feel confident in my skills with the other two.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2009 2:26:33 GMT
Do you know why the da dao is not as popular as other Chinese sword ? I mean it was used during WWII against the invaders and most of propraganda photo and status has soldiers, militia or peasant armed with Da dao. Most the kungfu schools in the States (at least from the beginning) were southern kungfu school. They primarily taught hunggar, choylifut, wingchun, etc. because the Cantonese were the first Chinese to spread out. They took their arts with them. The KMT soldiers that used the dadao weren't primarily from the far south, so the early wave of kungfu teachers didn't have it. The northern arts that have come into the West in the past two decades have primarily come as a result of northern Chinese emigrating to the West. They didn't have dadao training because few KMT soldiers staid behind on the mainland (a bad idea) and training with such a weapon wouldn't have been kosher anyway with the Communists I would think. Here in Taiwan, only a few teachers that studied with old KMT soldiers have the form still. It isn't very common. And not many of those guys emigrated to the West, either. Hence, dadao training isn't widely available.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2009 2:31:01 GMT
Hey Chessman71. I'm sorry I didn't reply to this sooner. Basically, the swordplay I train in is from the long fist family of fighting. The form I predominately train in is Kun Wu Jian, a fairly famous sword form that seems to have a lot of variations to it, considering the differences I tend to see between forms using the same name. I also am training Qi Men Jian (though I'm not full competent in it yet), and I'm planing to self teach myself Dan Jian at some point after I feel confident in my skills with the other two. Kunwujian and Qimenjian are nice forms. I didn't learn those but I did get the sancaijian. Qimenjian in particular looks pretty difficult. It's good that you have access to that material. It's authentic and deep. AFAIK, "dan" means single in this context so dan jian would be single jian. It's a name that separates that practice from shuang jian -- double jian. So you're already doing dan jian with those forms. Maybe you're talking about another form?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 4:44:31 GMT
Yang Tai Chi Public Sword Form
Yang Tai Chi Michuan Sword...by yearly seminars with Scott Rodell
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 10:14:54 GMT
Yang Taiji Public Form (54, Chen Weiming?) + partnerset, ZMQ sword Yang Taiji Dao + partnerset Miaodao and applications
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 19:58:08 GMT
Kunwujian and Qimenjian are nice forms. I didn't learn those but I did get the sancaijian. Qimenjian in particular looks pretty difficult. It's good that you have access to that material. It's authentic and deep. AFAIK, "dan" means single in this context so dan jian would be single jian. It's a name that separates that practice from shuang jian -- double jian. So you're already doing dan jian with those forms. Maybe you're talking about another form? Geeze I'm bad with responding to people. I apologize. The form I was talking about I've seen translated as Cinnabar Sword. When I try to look up the Chinese name for it, I always seem to get Dan Jian. I had assumed that the "dan" was the same one used in "dan tien", but I guess I was wrong. You can see the form here: Hope that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 6:25:44 GMT
Geeze I'm bad with responding to people. I apologize. The form I was talking about I've seen translated as Cinnabar Sword. When I try to look up the Chinese name for it, I always seem to get Dan Jian. I had assumed that the "dan" was the same one used in "dan tien", but I guess I was wrong. You can see the form here: Hope that helps. No problem. That was a nice form. Nice kua exercises at the beginning. Up, down, up... Yeah, the "dan"here just means single.some of these forms didn't necessarily have special names or maybe they were forgotten. I've gotten that a couple of times from especially older teachers. "Teacher, what's the name of this sword form?" "Single straight sword form. now go practice!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 2:06:03 GMT
I've just completed the single snowflake saber form and two person forms for my jhong law horn (aka lost track). It's an interesting mix of long fist, northern mantis, and dao gar. There are a bunch of videos of people from our style on youtube, but most of them are of painfully bad quality. There is, however, a video of our single snowflake saber form by my sifu's sifu, grandmaster Raymond Wong. It's pretty old so the video quality isn't great, but it's infinitely better than anything from our style floating around.
My teacher is the same. We never really get the names of forms. Since most people in our style recieve several forms from different styles in the first few years, we tend to just name them after the styles they're from... i.e. "lao gar, long fist, mantis, etc."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 23:58:37 GMT
I train with Taijiquan "Feather Sword" which is the Cheng Man-Ch'ing (Zheng Manquing) version of classical Yang Jian. Ken Van Sickle, is considered the authority on this particular style. I also train in Yang 13 saber although I use a 24" machete instead of an actual saber. The main difference between CMC Jian and Yang Jian training is that in the CMC style you are to use a longer stiffer blade (pommel comes to the dantian) and it has more emphasis on yielding letting the momentum of your opponents blade provide the impetus for your own movements. (ie it's good for an old timer like myself.)
This is a vid of Cheng Man-Ch'ing himself doing the Jian form.
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