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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 7:21:04 GMT
Hi, I'm just curious about Jabara Maki style Tsuka maki. Do you need a specific style of ito to make this "braid?" If so, where can I get it. If not, any tutorials on how to do it lurking around? Jabara maki being this www.roninswords.com/jabara%20maki%20ito%20tanto.jpg
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 3, 2009 7:44:30 GMT
My understanding is you start with strings. Four or more, in the case of the image you posted I'd say they have about six strings going on that one. There are a few types of Jabara maki, this one being a bit more complicated, but finding pictures is difficult. I'm a fan, myself, of simple Jabara maki. Your picture is a bit too much for me; looks too busy. But when just one cord wraps over just one cord wrapped over the other cords...good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 7:49:06 GMT
I don't like the ito choice, but the style is brilliant IMO. If I can find out how exactly, to do it then I'll start practicing and hopefully I'll be able to pull it off by the time I start working on mounting the Rawblade I'm going to be getting. I thought of something similar, it almost looked to me like they used two different(small) strands of ito and just braided them together, but your way makes a bit more sense.
I do question the durability of such a wrap though.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 3, 2009 8:01:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 8:14:17 GMT
lol, very interesting indeed. I love number 7 & 8 on that image, I may just go with one of those, now to find a tutorial I wonder what they do to give it ridges like that on the Gannkimaki and Shinomaki.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 3, 2009 8:27:38 GMT
I'm thinking they probably just pinch them, or push them up somehow. That image is actually a page out of a book...the title of which I have already forgotten (it was long) but I found it via a thread on...was it SFI? I think it was... Hotspur was there. Wherever I found it, it was found through a Google search for jabara maki. On the first page, it was. I'm on my phone now or I'd find it again... Good luck finding a tutorial; I've been trying off and on for ages and never found anything but that on site...crap, I JUST SAW IT...but now it escapes me. Curse you, 3:30 AM. I believe it is time for bed... Oh, as for 7, the concept is simple enough... Rather than crossing over each other, folding or what-have-you along the way, they actually wrap around each other so that one side of the ito never crosses the centerline of the tsuka. Imagine a twist-tie, but after each twist wrap it around something and twist on the other side, all the while going down. Okay so the concept itself is simple but I'll be damned if I can explain it simply. 8 is a pretty fancy braid of some sort...maybe "knot" is more appropriate than "braid"...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 13:09:45 GMT
Great find! Thank you for the useful image, random!
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 3, 2009 20:58:25 GMT
I keep coming back to look at it again. I'd love to fgure out tome, and am thinking that if I ever get around to re-wrapping my PK, I might try out yorimaki or karamemaki... Jabara is still my favorite, though. (I can't type on this bloody phone...)
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Post by slav on Feb 3, 2009 21:30:05 GMT
Yeah, number 8 is just a simple square knot. Probably even easier to do than regular hinerimaki...
And FWIW if anyone is in need of a re-wrap and would like to jump for one of those pictured, I'd be up for the challenge!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 22:40:21 GMT
I don't have any extra cash slav
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 4, 2009 0:21:16 GMT
Yeah, number 8 is just a simple square knot. Probably even easier to do than regular hinerimaki... And FWIW if anyone is in need of a re-wrap and would like to jump for one of those pictured, I'd be up for the challenge! You'll have a project soon. Or should I say, some day...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 0:28:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 6:59:08 GMT
Yeah, number 8 is just a simple square knot. Probably even easier to do than regular hinerimaki... And FWIW if anyone is in need of a re-wrap and would like to jump for one of those pictured, I'd be up for the challenge! You'll have a project soon. Or should I say, some day... Sooner than later Random, if you mean mine lol. I learned some things today that I was hesitating to try on the tanto...so I tested them on the big blade instead. Now I can go forward without worry =D. Ken, SIZE that damn picture down brother!!! =D Here's one from Brian VS in black: As far as the maki...practice with mason's twine from Home Depot. You can get it in dayglo green, or dayglo pink...with the occasional dayglo orange offered as an option too lol. Similar size though, and cheap as all hells, plus nine kinds of durable. Also, since you're worried about the durability...how about potting it when you're done? Super glue, laquer...whatever you like that doesn't melt your chosen string. This was done FAR MORE OFTEN on antiques than anyone gives credit for. As Slav among others can attest, Japan is a humid, rainy island...and those guys laquered everything in an effort to waterproof it lol. Anyhow, cool wrap style, not for me...but still cool to look at =D. Cris
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 7:08:50 GMT
Yeah if I can find a quick, simple explanation of how it's done then I will definitely be doing that and lacquering it when I'm finished. AHH nevermind, I've actually had a tutorial all along in my bookmarks. pages.prodigy.net/tlbuck/tsuka/tsuka.htm
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Post by slav on Feb 4, 2009 7:14:50 GMT
Hey Cris, what's up with Brian VS anyways? I see that his Galloglas site is down, and haven't heard from him since. Does he have a new site, or does he frequent any forums? Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 15:20:18 GMT
Hi random, thanks for that picture and those links +1 I had no idea there was so much variation used. I really like the white one in your first link and the way they braided the ito across the menuki. #7 is nice too. Debbie
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 4, 2009 15:28:51 GMT
I've got a project I hope to pass on to Slav... hopefully sooner then later. I'm learning towards just picking the colorscheme... and letting the artist chose what style to do the wrap in. I often find that creative people do their best work when given some 'free reign'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 18:17:17 GMT
After some fiddling I totally understand the Jabara maki. Now finding something to practice on <.<.....>.>
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 18:43:09 GMT
After some fiddling I totally understand the Jabara maki. Now finding something to practice on <.<.....>.> Run to home depot, pick up a short (tsuka length) piece of 1" pvc sprinkler pipe and some of that mason's twine I told you about. Take a hammer and tap the pipe into an oval shape, then sand the outside with like 60 grit to give it some texture. Voila, makeshift tsuka core =). You could also make it out of 1x2 if you didn't mind carving your own core. A file works great for rough shaping wood quickly. Cris
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 19:03:24 GMT
Yeah I've got some mason's twine, last night I cut 8 pieces to length. You're supposed to stitch it together in twos, I'll have to use superglue. For a handle I'll probably make my own since we have a stock pile of wood in our garage.
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