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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 1:01:55 GMT
G'day Y'all, Logged on to the Cold Steel website to look at their cutlass, again (still looking for my first cutlass...), and they've got some new swords up! One of them will be of interest to lots of people posting recently on the topic of sabers- a light civilian weapon they're calling the Classic Gentleman's Saber. Check it out- www.coldsteel.com/clgesa.html At 1.5 lbs it seems like an interesting addition to the field. Im not sure I like the spring-loaded folding guard- I know some swords of the 19thC had them but it just seems like something else to break . I look forward to the comments of more knowledgeable forumites, since this is a type of saber I'll definitely be in the market for if it seems worth the money. So, waddyarekkin? Cheers Marc E
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Jan 7, 2009 1:50:40 GMT
looks very similar to the german naval swords to me, with the folding guards and overall look. you can see what I mean at www.stromloswords.com/german_swords.htmland poohze, I have a base in Canberra to get whatever you want from this site. cheers, rob
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 2:42:14 GMT
Definitely inspired by German naval swords. I think the "civilian" sword description, like many of their descriptions, is quite fanciful. I am unaware of civilian sabers being worn in Europe in the 19th century. Military-style swords were just not fashionable for civilians at that point--with the exception of hunting swords in some on the Continent. Nothing against the sword, but CS descriptions should be viewed with skepticism when it comes to historical background, IMO.
WKC has a similar sword listed as a Model 1923 Navy Officer Sword, but I am finding antique examples that pre-date 1923, so I am not sure what the official designation would be.
PS--The pipe back blade was intended to make the blade stiffer for the thrust, not stronger for taking blows. In fact, the British abandoned the pipe back because they felt it inhibited cutting ability by limiting how deep one could cut.
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Post by hotspur on Jan 7, 2009 10:20:17 GMT
I'll have to spend some more examination time of the Cold Steel offering mentioned. While it does share some naval similarity, it could as well have been patterned more on an artillery dress sword. The pipe back is likely an affectation in this case but who really knows what horror next lays in the mind of Lynn Thompson. I do know that my Horster naval sword of the 20th century is a lot of fun to play with. While i have not bothered to tune up the edge (although pretty sharp), it has been a lot of fun just slicing air. This one is quite wafer thin. Tee Hee ;D Try that with your Lynn Thompson video commercial. That is the weight of the sword curving the blade while being held by the tip. Here was that spontaneous weekend buy and was less than $180 combined and has been great fun. The naval sword is somewhat along the lines of what Cold Steel has in mind. Hey, you know? Anything for a buck, right? That best buy at ShakyBones is still up. A Japanese naval dress sword and Spanish artillery sword package at $225 <shrug> Kind of a last call on that one. I may grab them both myself (although there are other bargains I am watching). www.shakybonescollectibles.com/Shop.php?cat=2Have fun, that is what is truly important. Cheers Hotspur; Jonathan, I have a Robson question for you at some point via the mail. Nothing terribly important but interesting
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 23:53:32 GMT
Here was that spontaneous weekend buy and was less than $180 combined and has been great fun. Conga Rats on those new pieces, Glen. Not a bad price, eh? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 1:48:40 GMT
Spring loaded mechanism! Well, that sounds very um...historical? Any spring loaded mechanisms on sabres from history Glen?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 2:01:21 GMT
I reckon those sabre was in a response to those (cough including myself sadly) who bought the Cold Steel DVD : Fighting with Sabre and Cutlass, which teaches the sabre in a light almost smallsword/rapier style fashion (Anthony de Longis the chief instructor on the dvd emphasises the fluidity and suppleness of sabre use and how the execution and lethal form benefit from it etc etc) But I imagine that people by a CS Sabre and the weight made it tricky to execute, this might be a mid way solution for it ........ or their bringing out another instructional dvd (think they were gonna do smallsword next) and they will co-plug eachother
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 2:34:52 GMT
Spring loaded mechanism! Well, that sounds very um...historical? Any spring loaded mechanisms on sabres from history Glen? More like a leaf spring to hold the folding section in place when closed or open, not something that would pop open at the press of a button (the term "spring loaded" leads to a false impression, IMO). These hinged guards (with leaf springs) were used historically from the late 18th century (if not a bit earlier) through WWI and possibly later. Here is an example from a British Pattern 1796 Infantry Officer's Sword:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 12:04:31 GMT
These hinged guards (with leaf springs) were used historically from the late 18th century (if not a bit earlier) through WWI and possibly later. Ah, thank you Jonathan, those pictures are excellent. I've often wondered how these hilts worked(+1 from me)! I'm still puzzled about some details. Is the sideguard moved from folded to open positions manually, or is it somehow moved by the spring? The spring appears to hold the sideguard open by pressure against the inside of the quillion block, is that correct? Is the spring the only thing holding the sideguard open, or is there a catch of some sort. How secure is the whole thing- would it, for example, stand up to the rigours of combat without exposing the hand? Sorry for the questions, but it's very unlikely I'll ever get to examine an original, and I'm very curious! Cheers Marc E
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Post by hotspur on Jan 8, 2009 12:58:22 GMT
Spring loaded mechanism! Well, that sounds very um...historical? Any spring loaded mechanisms on sabres from history Glen? Jonathan shows the leaf spring pretty well. Thre is a detent that locates the guard. They are lifted by hand and move about more or less easily. As it lifts towards the grip, there is some resistance that would would take a good blow to bend it towards the hand. The naval sword I picture has a small fippity jibit that is quite like the one Jonathan shows. these fold to make wear more comfortable against uniform and hip. Some are not much more than a leaf spring that is fastened to the tang and protrudes through. A good many of the 19th century have a post like button or ball behind the spring pressure. Some of the post types do lock it quite securely but keep in mind that most of these sword types were strictly dress swords or used for pointing at the fellows that needed shooting. That link I posted to Shaky Bones pictures the little guard on that Japanese naval sword. Some of these are as trivial as to not have really needed at all but they do make them lay flat and lock to the scabbard. Here is the guard on mine. A simple leaf and detent much like Jonathan's 1796. Cheers Hotspur; The French military epees have big honkin' ball bearings backed by the spring. Smooth but easy to fold
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2009 0:27:25 GMT
I think Glen answered well, but just in case... Is the sideguard moved from folded to open positions manually, or is it somehow moved by the spring? The guard is folded manually. The spring appears to hold the sideguard open by pressure against the inside of the quillion block, is that correct? Yes, that is correct. Is the spring the only thing holding the sideguard open, or is there a catch of some sort? It depends on which position you consider open, and which position you considered closed. But mostly, the answer is yes. How secure is the whole thing- would it, for example, stand up to the rigours of combat without exposing the hand? It is quite secure when the guard is in position to protect the hand, and would not fold shut if it were to take a blow on the outward side (might break, depending on the force of the blow). Some examples have a sort of latch system to keep the folding guard in place. The British replaced this pattern in 1822. The P1822 also had a folding guard, as did its successor, the P1845. The P1854, however, had a fixed guard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2009 1:03:48 GMT
Thanks Jonathan and Hotspur! I've never been much interested in swords from more recent periods, but just lately that seems to be changing... Thanks for helping me up the steep learning curve!
Cheers Marc E
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 5:25:14 GMT
does anyone actually have the gentalman's saber from cold steel?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 14:18:35 GMT
I saw it on their site as I was perusing - I just don't have the interest in swords of this type; altho I do understand the ones that do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 17:50:23 GMT
I like the look of this saber. However, most places that sell it don't say if it is battle-ready or sharpened ... Sad, it looked like a quick and vicious bottle cutter
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 19:18:38 GMT
i really like the look of it and it seriously looks like a dealer of plastic death
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 22:53:53 GMT
finally, a sword suitable to wear to church on sunday.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 18:54:29 GMT
Do they sell a sharpened blade.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 5:13:27 GMT
I thought about getting it. Then I found out that it's COMPLETELY unsharpened. Come on, a completely unsharpened product from Cold Steel? That's unheard of! XD
Anyway, it doesn't really look like a bad saber, and you could probably sharpen it yourself, but I'd rather get the 1860 Heavy Cavalry Saber, or the 1796 Light Cavalry Saber.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 19:21:50 GMT
I like the look of this saber. However, most places that sell it don't say if it is battle-ready or sharpened ... Sad, it looked like a quick and vicious bottle cutter I emailed Ryan Whittlinger from Kult of Athena about whether or not this sword is sharpened at all, and he replied (quite quickly, might I add) that it isn't sharpened at all, as opposed to Cold Steel's other sabers which are partially sharpened.
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