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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 20:31:24 GMT
So, I've decided to put together a pell for "training". I've researched it a little and find that there are a few different types: big padded things that either hang or use a pipe or post as a core, basic wood post with minimal padding these both seem to work best with wood wasters--(can steel blunts be used on these?). The tire pell which some strongly recommend against, but which I notice lots of people on this forum use.
I plan to use it with single handed swords--cutlass, saber, dao-- and, probably, katanas. (I have a big bias in favor of single edged blades)
What I'm looking for is advice, ideas and pictures. What have you got? What do you use it with? Any insight to offer?
Thanks.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Dec 29, 2008 20:52:56 GMT
Hey, pogo...Jason from armsofvalor uses this pell in his review vids: A 4x4 cemented into the ground to be the same hieght as the swordsman, then two 2x2s nailed across it (one on each side) to form 'arms', so to speak cover this in a few layers of scrap carpet (i'd use a staple gun to secure it on) and finally, cover that with LOTS of duct tape. And I mean EVERY SQUARE INCH shuld be covered with at least 2 or 3 layers of duct tape. Do that, and you have a nearly indestructible pell that will not in any way damage your swords during proper use. (although, please don't hold me to that, as anything is possible, lol. You know, the whole 'disclaimer' thing goes here ) Hope this helps! -Slayer
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Dec 29, 2008 20:53:52 GMT
Oh, and the 2x2s go at arm height, just incase I didn't specify
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 20:55:38 GMT
I think most people here on SBG just use an old tire and hang it on a tall cutting stand.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 29, 2008 22:35:23 GMT
Aye, Bishop, that's what I did. Really more of a target for testing swords for me rather than a training aid. Be aware those steel belts will nick a blade. Saddled a litter bucket on top of mine to give my foe a head. Pogo, I'd build whatever suits your purposes. One adviso would be to not use any metal fasteners if your going to be wacking it with a steel sword.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 23:05:36 GMT
Yeah I figured so, I saw Tsafa using his for demonstrating techniques as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 23:58:49 GMT
Hang a tire from a high branch, get it to swinging, that will give you some feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 0:00:06 GMT
made mine years ago out of a wooden wire spool / reel, a 4x4, old carpet and a pant load of duct tape. I made it this way so that I can move it around. this is an old pic.... cheers, Bill
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 0:37:15 GMT
A long while back when I had the space for it I made a pell out of an old steel tire rim (with tire on), a piece of 4" diameter steel tubing and a 6 ft length of 4x4 wooden post.
Cut the steel tubing to a 14" length - weld it onto the steel rim so you've got an open end of the tubing up when the steel rim is placed flat on the ground. This provides the basis of your pell. Take the 4x4 wooden post and pound it into the welded base. Drop a few sandbags onto the base, wrap the post with 2 layers of old carpeting and give it a few layers of duct tape. Enjoy hours of sword training against your newly created (and helpless) pell.
If in the future you DO manage to damage the 4x4 post just wrench it out of the base and put a new post in, wrap again etc. If you need to put it away just tilt it to one side and roll it away.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 16:56:15 GMT
Thanks, guys. So, the post with carpet and duct tape looks to be a standard training aid that doesn't seem too difficult. Can it be used with sharp swords or only dull steel and wood?
Hanging targets are pretty much out of the question due to my yard.
How serious and issue is bounce back with tires?
Portability seems like a good idea as does the anthropomorphic design.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 23:06:47 GMT
Why hit a stationary stand?
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Dec 30, 2008 23:43:41 GMT
If you check out the vids at armsofvalor.com/armsofvalour.com/swordsofvalor.com, you can see the one I mentioned. It can be used with sharp swords, blunt swords, and/or, wasters. As I mentioned in my first post, it really is close to indestrucible (assuming that shootermike doesn't break out his arsenal on 'em , lol)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2008 0:03:02 GMT
Here is an idea for you: It is a wood post anchored to playwood with right-angels. I then cut out holes into the tread of the tire with a jig-saw, passed through and nailed/screwed in place. The bounce is very minimal with blades because they bite into the tire a bit. With wasters, especially rattan, the bounce is more noticeable but still workable. You can pick out different thickness and hardness to suit your taste. Pell work is very good for creating muscle memory, but the important thing to remember is that "practice make permanent, not perfect". If you practice wrong you will learn that way. Here are some basic shots you can try: mysite.verizon.net/tsafa1/pell/index.htmSetting up a moving target can be as easy as hanging a tennis ball on a string and doing point control drills: If you like you can make videos to post and I will examine you form on the various shots.
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