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Post by ilvalto on Nov 18, 2024 23:32:54 GMT
Hi folks I recently picked up a pair of french swords - they were bot advertised as infantry officers mod 1882, but while one is definitely a "classic" mod 1882, i'm really not sure what the other one is? It's one branch short to be a model 1882, and also, the blade is noticeably wider than an 1882. the guard is also totally rusted, which makes me think this is a steel guard, which does't feel very french..unless this is an export.model... . i browsed the book from lhoste but could not find this sword..i'd thought it's probaby some reproduction, but the klingenthal markings on the blade seems kinda genuine..any idea/suggestion? Thanks
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Post by madirish on Nov 19, 2024 16:58:27 GMT
Picture of the whole sword, please. Might be interesting to see the tip, etc.
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Post by ilvalto on Nov 19, 2024 22:00:45 GMT
So the apart from being wider, the blade is like a standard 1882 officers sword..straight, spear point, and that "unusual" s profile with asymmetrycal fuellers on the 2 sides. Blade length is also in line i believe...
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Post by jimmythedonut on Nov 20, 2024 23:43:50 GMT
So the apart from being wider, the blade is like a standard 1882 officers sword..straight, spear point, and that "unusual" s profile with asymmetrycal fuellers on the 2 sides. Blade length is also in line i believe... What you have here is one of the earlier nonregulation "North African" or "Chasseurs d'Afrique" or Spahi... sabres used by the North African Colonial French Forces. Later models had 3 bars and I will attach some photos. The 2 pages are from Jean Ondry's book on French Sabres of the 2nd Empire pt 2. The others are my photos including another example I just won at auction. These, per Ondry, are relatively rare although most of them are rarer than general 1882s to begin with and very hard to detect. In my opinion, these wider bladed ones feel so much better in the hand, even for thrusting, that I am perpetually baffled why the fire poker of the 1882 was allowed to be adopted? As they (the pre-1882 model blades) are, even without modification, probably my favorite handling blade and IMO the ultimate spadroon type of Thrust-and-Cut feel in the hand. Here is a comparison. On the left is a normal 1882. In the middle is a later (relatively speaking) version of your blade type. On the right is one of my favorite sabres I own, a behemoth that feels like a beautifully balanced longsword with a sabre grip. All three are of the Z shaped blade with offset fullers. The middle weighs about 765 grams and handles like a dream, the right is 950 grams but still handles beautifully due to the distal taper. As you can see by the comparison, the 1882 has little to no taper which drastically changes how it feels in the hand. Very comparable to Field Officer grade nonregulation Highland Officer's sabres in which a lightened claymore blade is affixed to a sabre hilt. I love this general grouping of sabres so much and still for the life of me cannot understand why the 1882 was given such a dead feeling and narrower blade that makes it quite literally worse at every possible task.
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Post by pellius on Nov 21, 2024 12:35:48 GMT
Thank you for the info!
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Post by ilvalto on Nov 21, 2024 16:37:51 GMT
Amazing. Thanks so much for the help and the detailed answer jimmy. I will try andbget hold of that book for myself, too!
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Post by jimmythedonut on Nov 21, 2024 17:03:43 GMT
Amazing. Thanks so much for the help and the detailed answer jimmy. I will try andbget hold of that book for myself, too! The books are in French, will need to import from abroad. If doing so, would honestly recommend you get all of his books at once. None are very expensive and especially the three books of the 2nd Empire/III Republic era, since the "Victorian era" in France has a very fluid change to it and doesn't see as pronounced a change in terms of equipment so you will be missing out on lots. Here is a link chosen because all 4 of his books are listed as In-Stock and they are among the most recent books to be published for swords and thus contain the most up to date information: www.mollat.com/Recherche/Auteur/0-11415589/ondry-jean
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Post by madirish on Nov 21, 2024 21:41:34 GMT
take a look at the www.crepin-leblond.fr page. they are the publisher. Nice folks. I bought a couple Ondry volumes directly.
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