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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 14:23:52 GMT
Hi,
Does any one know any good sources for information about the type of armour/helmets worn by 14th century English arches. The kind of thing that may have been worn at Crecy or Poitiers. There seems to be a lot of information about 15th century arches, but not a great deal about 14th C.
Of particular interest are helmets and armour, there is plenty of information about kind of open faced Celeta warn buy arches in the 15th C and the armour worn but like I say almost nothing about armour warn a hundred years before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 16:05:28 GMT
the archers armour at crecy basically comprised of a gambeson and if they were particularly lucky steel vambraces. They didn't really wear much armour because they were archers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 17:35:49 GMT
Hi bloodwraith, do you have a source with examples? are there any surviving examples? As I said there is a lot of information about the kind of stuff worn by a 15th Century archer but I am struggling to find more clear information of 14 Century archers. Can we take it that the kind of equipment used by a 15th Century archer would be similar to that of the 14th century counterparts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 21:15:40 GMT
I cant give you any references, but think about the arms race from the 1300's to the 1400's, things changed fast and the archers would have better stuff in the 1400's than the archers back in the 1300's As an example, when did the first quick load crossbow arrive? That changed the Armour! As did the longbowmen of the Black prince change things for the french....SanMarc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 23:25:46 GMT
I cant give you any references, but think about the arms race from the 1300's to the 1400's, things changed fast and the archers would have better stuff in the 1400's than the archers back in the 1300's As an example, when did the first quick load crossbow arrive? That changed the Armour! As did the longbowmen of the Black prince change things for the french....SanMarc. I think in a way that’s one of the problems, the use of longbows revolutionises the role of the archer in English army during the 14th and 15th centuries. They go from playing a fringe role in the armies to being of central importance. Presumably this change in role led to at least some development in armour. As I said there is a lot of information about 15th century armour for archers, but very little information on early armour.
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Post by rammstein on Nov 28, 2008 0:00:08 GMT
Archers wouldn't have been "lucky" if they had some vambraces.
A maille shirt and a padded gambeson wouldn't be all uncommon among an archer contigent and most soldiers on a medieval battlefield around the 14th c. would most assuredly have some sort of helm, even if it's only a makeshift one made from a pot (not unheard of). Remember, many bowmen in the english army got their gear from fallen foes - and in the 14th c, they had plenty of fallen foes to take armour from. Another misconception about archers is that they were armed only with daggers - this most assuredly is not the case and many sources from crecy tell us of archers dropping their bows, picking up their swords, axes, and billhooks, and attacking the enemy as light infantry (my personal opinion: The brits weren't effective just because their archers were good shots, the brits were effective because their archers weren't afraid to get their hands dirty in combat).
I cannot provide you with any specific examples off of the top of my head, but I strongly advise that you post this question on MyArmoury.com as they will most assuredly be able to pull out primary sources.
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Post by Erick R. on Nov 28, 2008 0:03:59 GMT
I agree with Rammsteins opinion, "The brits weren't effective just because their archers were good shots, the brits were effective because their archers weren't afraid to get their hands dirty in combat. "
... as well as his suggestion to post your query on Myarmoury, quite a few learned and respected folks over there.
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