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Post by ilvalto on Aug 22, 2024 18:02:36 GMT
Hi all folks I just bought what i believe is a early 1900 prussinan m1873 artillery sword. Now , i know very little of imperial german markings, but reading a bit around, i was under the impression that artillery issued swords had an "A" in the unit marking, while this has a double R. Is this a reserve infantry marking? (But thought the R for reserve shpuld be a different style?) Or is RR identifying a different corp? Thanks all  |
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Post by mrstabby on Aug 22, 2024 18:23:28 GMT
That's a 4. RR is Reiter Regiment, basically meaning cavalry. Its 4th squad (Schwadron) 6th cavalry regiment 13th Waffe (not sure what the english equivalent is).
EDIT: I am far from sure here, but it's a cavalry regiment - I am always unsure what numbers mean what.
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Post by ilvalto on Aug 22, 2024 19:02:45 GMT
Perfect, thanks a million for the help
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Post by madirish on Aug 22, 2024 22:02:35 GMT
Be interesting to see the rest of the piece, understand what date stamps are on the blade to get a better feel. This is not standard Prussian marking from the late 1800's. Also... is it 4/R.R.6.137 or 6.13.7 cuz the latter would be odder still. If it is 4/R.R.6.137, it COULD be Ersatz-Bataillon des 4. Infanterie-Regiments, 6. Rekruten-Depot, Waffe Nr. 137. R.R. stands for a Recruiting Depot of an Infantry Regiment.
If it is 6.13.7, I dunno what the heck it is.
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Post by mrstabby on Aug 23, 2024 6:56:39 GMT
Pretty sure it's "6.13.7."
The one saber I have seenn that was reserve infantry was 4.R.R, not 4/RR, and thinking about the cav. saber had 4/R.R., is it possible that it's missing the points between the R, was this something they did?
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Post by madirish on Aug 23, 2024 12:38:42 GMT
I was fixated on the 6.13.7 that I missed that it is not R.R. These marks are odd altogether, and I am beginning to suspect they are not Prussian markings or this is a very early 19th century sword when markings were less regulated.
Unless this is a very early sword (OP, please post a pic of the whole piece and any stamp marks on blade or guard), it doesn't match the late 180's German marking rules. No points between the R's....too many numbers.
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Post by doc21 on Aug 23, 2024 18:39:57 GMT
If you look on the 'Blucher Sabre and it's Spawns' article by Pavel Pin in the Renaissence and Military Showcase section, he talks specifically about a sword marked 4/R.R.6.37. Which was 4th Squadron, 6th Reiter Regiment. Might be worth having a read of it.
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Post by madirish on Aug 23, 2024 23:49:12 GMT
Still one too many numbers...weird.
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Post by madirish on Aug 24, 2024 15:46:19 GMT
Alright...I'm going with one of the dots is rust....and Mr. Stabby's interpretation 4th company, Rider-Regiment no. 6 (?), weapon no. 137
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Post by ilvalto on Aug 24, 2024 17:02:51 GMT
Hi all, and thanks for the continued help. so, it's a bit weird, meaning that the guard itself is stamped RR with no dots, while the scabbard (whcih has the same markings) has dots between the R's also, while the guard definitely has a dot between the 13 and the 7, the scabbard does not (see picture below with details of both marking next to each other). re other markings, the blade is dated 1916, while there is also a "1920" marked on the guard - I came across what seems a "twin" sword for sale (see link boyar-armoury.com/products/german-sabre-reichswehr-artilleriesabel-n-a-9th-prussian-reiter-regiment), which seems to validate the "Reiter Regiment" theory, and that this was stamped 1920 as after-WW1 armistice germany had limit on weapons, so they had to keep stock of all weapons they had. other than that it looks like a "standard" prussian artillery sword, shorter and with a less "chubby" blade than a Blucher, 89cm in tot length, one-ring scabbard with fixed ring, and marked "Weyersberg & co Solingen" (which I also find strange, weren't they already WKC around 1916/1920? - but again, I know v little of German/prussian swords and markings..)      |
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Post by ilvalto on Aug 24, 2024 19:45:05 GMT
If you look on the 'Blucher Sabre and it's Spawns' article by Pavel Pin in the Renaissence and Military Showcase section, he talks specifically about a sword marked 4/R.R.6.37. Which was 4th Squadron, 6th Reiter Regiment. Might be worth having a read of it. that indeed was super helpful, thanks for suggesting |
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Post by madirish on Aug 24, 2024 22:59:05 GMT
Was working under the mistaken assumption this was an earlier blade. This is a blade that was stamped with unit markings after WWI (during the Weimar Republic), so not technically "Prussian". Made during WWI, but not unit marked until after. There still seems to be one number too many, lol, if there really are two periods amongst the numbers.
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