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Post by mrstabby on Aug 1, 2024 11:16:43 GMT
I am collecting information. I need inspiration.
I want to know what styles of wrap do you like, have you done and, if possible, how it is done.
I have tried a few things and found I prefer fabric to leather but it does not look nice if you just glue a piece of fabric onto the grip IMHO. Cord wraps look neater.
Weirdly enough I am easily able to source 10-11mm wide flat cord for Tsuka Maki but not 5-6mm I would prefer for the chinese wrap. I know there should be a few different styles of japanese style wraps, but I am not too deep into Nihonto-lore, so I would welcome a list of what is possible - better yet a comic book with more pictures than text. (I am not sure how these would work on non-japanese swords but I still want to learn) I have also seen a few leather wraps with a checkerboard pattern made from leather straps, but these didn't feel that good to me, the pattern felt too agressive. Could have been the leather not having rounded edges though. (I am also not sure I did it right since I just went from a picture I saw, didn't have a guide)
Maybe you know of interesting weaving patterns?
I am also interested in quick&dirty stuff like Hockey or Tennis tape (those are the two I have tried, if there are more, please, share!). The Tennis tape is easier removable but I like the feel of the Hockey tape better, although it likes to ooze out glue and is not easily removed but does peel off when it gets hot at the same time. The softness of the tennis tape always makes me feel like I am losing grip for some reason. Maybe I just tried the wrong tapes?
For any kind of wrap I have found self fusing silicone tape is a good reversible foundation if you don't want to destroy the underlying grip wrap. It sticks to all surfaces and to me a wrap glued to the tape layer feels as solid as if it had been glued straight to the grip.
Also where do you put risers on sword grips? Do you put them where your hand ends, underneath the little finger, and why do some swords have risers slightly below the guard?
I am not sure what else is out there in terms of grip wrap technology, I just want to see everything since I haven't found my perfect grip yet..
If this has already been answered, feel free to kick my butt in the right direction.
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Post by larason2 on Aug 1, 2024 13:29:36 GMT
If I wanted fast and easy, I'd get some Japanese silk ito, and hide glue it on in a spiral. That's how early Chinese swords were wrapped. Too much hide glue and it will be too stiff though. A bit of cotton cord underneath will make it nicer in the hand. A wooden hilt wrapped with cotton cord and solid leather on top all glued on with hide glue is super comfy, and is easy to do. Just put the leather on wet. Some skiving is in order if you want the seam just right.
Another option you haven't tried is road bike grip tape. It's also super comfy. I don't have any swords with it, but I do have a road bike!
I wrapped my Ronin dojo pros with suede/nubuck type leather that's also super comfy. It picks up the dye from my bogu gloves a lot, but I don't care what it looks like if it's comfortable!
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Post by LeMal on Aug 1, 2024 15:01:07 GMT
Not that I'm a huge golfer but I'm thinking of the old saying, "drive for show--putt for dough." ;) For anything I'm going to use frequently, you already hit on one: a medical or athletic tape you like; I'm fortunate lately that the Dollar Tree stores near me now stock black athletic tape.
To look a little less "modern" on some I super use though, I also often use a few layers of either burlap or jute cord, as larason said, with glue. (If as usual I'm too cheap/lazy to use hide glue--Titebond III. God I love the stuff.) And to me these surfaces give an ideal amount of slight roughness to grip.
Funny thing is, I even aesthetically love the latter more. The sword-related art I grew up with is stuff like Barry Windsor-Smith's Conan, so "rustic" cord wrapped handles are way preferable to what I own to the prettified high-end pieces. (Same re: scabbards.) Oh, I'll highly enjoy and save a ton of *pictures* of those pieces. :P
But yeah, when it comes to what I own and most use, combining personal aesthetics, ease of application/updating/repair, better functionality, AND much greater affordability? What's not to love about some good old cordage and glue?
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Post by LeMal on Aug 1, 2024 15:03:18 GMT
Not that I'm a huge golfer but I'm thinking of the old saying, "drive for show--putt for dough." ;) For anything I'm going to use frequently, you already hit on one: a medical or athletic tape you like; I'm fortunate lately that the Dollar Tree stores near me now stock black athletic tape. To look a little less "modern" on some I super use though, I also often use a few layers of either burlap or jute cord, as larason said, with glue. (If as usual I'm too cheap/lazy to use hide glue--Titebond III. God I love the stuff.) And to me these surfaces give an ideal amount of slight roughness to grip. Funny thing is, I even aesthetically love the latter more. The sword-related art I grew up with is stuff like Barry Windsor-Smith's Conan, so "rustic" cord wrapped handles are way preferable to what I own to the prettified high-end pieces. (Same re: scabbards.) Oh, I'll highly enjoy and save a ton of *pictures* of those pieces. :P But yeah, when it comes to what I own and most use, combining personal aesthetics, ease of application/updating/repair, better functionality, AND much greater affordability? What's not to love about some good old cordage and glue? Well, other than an ability to be showing off. ;)
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Post by mrstabby on Aug 1, 2024 16:01:33 GMT
The bike tape is pretty much the same as the tennis tape, I hate the spongy feel it has very much, unless there are different ones. I have only seen the sponge and the silicone ones, both don't feel good to me on a sword or knife. Hockey tape is more or less just thin cotton fabric with glue on one side, but the glue is just getting everywhere over time. I have found some people use self adhering bandages for knife grips, LeMal, did you mean these? So there is basically no difference than aesthetics with the different cord wrap styles for you? The one thing I found for myself using a round cord feels more slick than when it's flattened (de-cored), even if the wrap is done the same way, but the round cord feels better underneath leather (at least better grip).
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Post by LeMal on Aug 1, 2024 17:13:01 GMT
Athletic tape (e.g. www.amazon.com/dp/B0BL3R1GQG/ref=syn_sd_onsite_desktop_0), hockey tape, all pretty similar. Like you said, cloth tape with adhesive on one side. I've used them, interchangeably, to either wrap grips or wrap body parts, but I find it mostly a marketing difference. Same re: many different kinds of cord wraps. I don't even get too concerned with the difference between them and leather grips, or stitched vs glued seams *there.* If it doesn't fall apart in my grip or feel like it's going to slip out--and there how will I know? Uh, just swing and cut with it and see. Just part of my overall philosophy not only to not make mountains out of molehills in general, but especially not in regards to something like weapons. ;) (You should see how I drive other hunting and fishing aficionados nuts as they agonize over this or that lure or this or that cartridge's ballistics--all the while not having ever had any real problems putting food on the table all these years. :p ) To me, it's pretty much K.I.S.S., and there's a zillion different ways to skin a cat. No better way to figure what works and what you like of that than... try it, see what works, and go with what you like. And if others don't like it or think you're full of feces and what empirically works somehow "really doesn't," who cares? "Nothing ruins a great hypothesis like an experiment." :D
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Post by LeMal on Aug 1, 2024 18:50:05 GMT
Another great option I've used a lot is ... rawhide. Don't even need to stitch it at a seam; have enough to wrap a few times around the handle, then tightly wrap it with cord and let dry. It leaves a cord wrap impression that certainly doesn't go away, and to whatever extent you find it too rough you just sand it down. A cross-cultural "Poor man's samegawa" that works on many kinds of swords quite well.
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Post by nddave on Aug 6, 2024 18:24:07 GMT
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 20, 2024 18:24:30 GMT
I've tinkered with multiple handle construction methods over the years, and done so for a variety of different weapon types.
My favorite means of handle construction entails starting with a shaped wooden core (I typically use boxwood, poplar, beech, or ash).
I apply hide glue to the wood core, which is then wrapped in a natural fiber cordage (I often use cotton cooking twine). This is primarily done to reinforce the handle against the physical stresses of compression and impact shock, and secondarily to add a bit more cushioning between one's hand and the hard metal and wood of the hilt.
To build up the desired grip shape, I use hide glue to affix leather lace (and/or other custom cut pieces of leather) to the cotton cord wrapped handle core for the purpose of creating risers and swells.
I then wrap the handle core in a relatively thin weight vegetable-tanned leather (typically sheep, goat, or pig skin). After carefully measuring the necessary dimensions of the leather wrap, skiving the edges, applying dyes/colorants and decorative embellishments, I will use a liberal amount of hide glue to affix the wrap to the handle. After carefully aligning the seems, I will methodically wrap the exterior of the handle in twine to compress the leather wrap while the glue sets and dries. This outer cord wrapping will typically leave a pleasing texture in the dried leather.
Of the different handle/grip crafting methods I've tried over the years, what I described above produces the best results in my opinion. I've used variations of this process on everything from swords, daggers, axes, and polearms.
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Post by LeMal on Aug 21, 2024 3:30:27 GMT
Another oddball but very effective method I've used and should mention is building up glued thin layers of cork, like knife handle "slabs," into a rough shape; then carving them with a Xacto knife to final shape; then a few layers of cordage (and if desired, finally leather or rawhide) over that. Compressed by the cordage it's very firm, but also extremely shock absorbent when actually used to cut with. Similar to what works on some Finnish knives, that was my inspiration.
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