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Post by enderdart on Jul 21, 2024 20:55:46 GMT
Sorry, what does Mle stand for? "My bad, the sabre name is 'sabre d'officier Mle F1' and should be translated as 'officer sabre type F1' (as I understand, it is the French equivalent of M1)."
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Post by mrstabby on Jul 21, 2024 21:25:29 GMT
enderdart might be restricted to blunt versions of the repros, since italy has become pretty strict, so maybe the newer Windlass are out as well.
I think Mle is short for Modèle. I remember seeing it on rifles. Thought it was the manufacturer of the sword.
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Post by enderdart on Jul 21, 2024 21:55:58 GMT
enderdart might be restricted to blunt versions of the repros, since italy has become pretty strict, so maybe the newer Windlass are out as well. I think Mle is short for Modèle. I remember seeing it on rifles. Thought it was the manufacturer of the sword. Yep, without any firearms license, I can't buy any weapons with a sharpened blade or tip. So technically, the only originals I can buy are training ones and any swords that have never been sharpened, which is rare as they should be swords that were never used (they historically came out from the factory unsharpened). |
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Post by enderdart on Jul 21, 2024 22:00:13 GMT
Whatever you choose, please share your experience and impressions with the forum. Sure!
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 22, 2024 2:26:38 GMT
Italian sword law doesn't make it easy for you.
Do you plan to buy from Kult of Athens directly?
There I'd look for infantry/officer's sabers/swords with 2 lb and only a few ounces.
Even very well made cavalry saber replicas are blade heavy and I assume the Universal Swords are on the very very blade heavy side.
If French/Napoleonic isn't an absolute must have I'd consider the unsharpened Windlass 1850 foot officers saber/sword.
At least it had French roots.
Better available within EU.
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Post by eastman on Jul 22, 2024 2:29:42 GMT
If you are in Italy, why not this one -
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Post by mrstabby on Jul 22, 2024 9:13:41 GMT
If you are in Italy, why not this one -
Probably will be at least 300€ though, but it seems DelTin is the most decent sword you can buy in italy since you can't import anymore, even dull swords seem to get turned around at customs. I am not sure how this would work with stuff already inside the EU though, maybe you coulld get something from other EU sellers as well. DelTin probably the safest bet. Skallagrim has reviewed a few Universal Swords in the past, and they have trouble with the grip, as I suspected on the pictures, and aren't really made for use and might loosen up if you should hit something (if it is indeed the two universal swords I found on KoA and posted on page 1 of the thread - their stats fit perfectly though that's why I guess your picks are Universal).
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Post by enderdart on Jul 22, 2024 9:25:40 GMT
Italian sword law doesn't make it easy for you. Do you plan to buy from Kult of Athens directly? No, shipping and various taxes make KoA out of my reach  ; I use it to get more information and photographs of the product, while I would make the purchase from a European seller |
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Post by enderdart on Jul 22, 2024 9:32:33 GMT
If you are in Italy, why not this one -
Probably will be at least 300€ though, but it seems DelTin is the most decent sword you can buy in italy since you can't import anymore, even dull swords seem to get turned around at customs.
By looking at their site, this sabre is no longer available and the price range is around €600 apiece. |
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Post by mrstabby on Jul 22, 2024 9:43:36 GMT
Probably will be at least 300€ though, but it seems DelTin is the most decent sword you can buy in italy since you can't import anymore, even dull swords seem to get turned around at customs.
By looking at their site, this sabre is no longer available and the price range is around €600 apiece. Contact them, sometimes they have parts or can reproduce things, I found it was sold for around 350€, the one without guard was 300€.
You could also look at Fabri Armorum or Wulfund, they sell a lot of dull swords for show fighting, but in my opinion not the most beautiful. Still if you want to handle it I woulld not advise you to buy the two Universal Swords, their grips look pointy and sharp on the hands. Also the Royal Guard looks liike the piece connecting over the grip is flimsy and bent on many pictures.
EDIT: Windlass makes decent low price replicas, and now has a few good ones, but the new variants all come sharp and even the old production now sometimes do as well, this could be trouble in italy. You could dull them of course...
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 22, 2024 12:41:15 GMT
Swords an More in Germany have a sharpening service, you can ask them if they can blunt a sword for shipping to Italy.
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Post by mrstabby on Jul 22, 2024 15:28:59 GMT
Swords an More in Germany have a sharpening service, you can ask them if they can blunt a sword for shipping to Italy. Did it hurt you as much as it did me to propose this?  But yes, any seller that has a sharpening service should be able to do it.
It looks like the italian law says dull swords should be OK no matter what, but the police and customs agents have a lot of room for interpretation in what is or isn't legal. I mean how dull does it need to be to be considered dull.
Really hard to say what is good for your situation. Since you want something that at least feels like a sword I am very much against the Universal Swords. The Windlass are a tiny more usable but don't have as intricate a look as the Universals (at least on the pictures). Besides the EU makers mentioned before (DelTin, Fabri and Wulfund) the other offerings are around or over 600€ and sharpened (Cold Steel, Hanwei) or outside of the EU (LK Chen - though LK doesn't sell to Italy directly anymore, you would need to first send it to a "friend" in an EU country that does not automatically scrap swords at the border, but they make extremely good replicas and can send it to you dull).
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Post by enderdart on Jul 22, 2024 18:23:53 GMT
After thinking about it a bit, I decided to buy a universal one only for the aesthetics given at that price range. While searching in the European market, I also found available for around €200 the Russian 1798 Light Cavalry Officer's Saber (the French 1777 and the Imperial Guard one are not available from any seller I usually buy from), which is kinda okay-ish. I also ordered a book about Napoleonic cavalry uniforms and weaponry that might help me choose the sword. In the future, I'll look into obtaining a gun license for historical weapons so that I can finally get an original. At the moment, though, it's a long process and a bit complicated (considering that I'm 18 years old). |
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Post by mrstabby on Jul 22, 2024 18:54:13 GMT
After thinking about it a bit, I decided to buy a universal one only for the aesthetics given at that price range. While searching in the European market, I also found available for around €200 the Russian 1798 Light Cavalry Officer's Saber (the French 1777 and the Imperial Guard one are not available from any seller I usually buy from), which is kinda okay-ish. I also ordered a book about Napoleonic cavalry uniforms and weaponry that might help me choose the sword. In the future, I'll look into obtaining a gun license for historical weapons so that I can finally get an original. At the moment, though, it's a long process and a bit complicated (considering that I'm 18 years old). Good luck. Maybe it's better than it looks on the pictures.
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; I use it to get more information and photographs of the product, while I would make the purchase from a European seller
