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Post by Brother Knight on Jul 6, 2024 2:55:09 GMT
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Post by Brother Knight on Jul 6, 2024 3:15:52 GMT
Also, I see most of everyone on here uses a screen name and not their full name. I may be posting under a different name soon...
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Post by pellius on Jul 6, 2024 4:25:27 GMT
Wow, that one looks super nice.
I use a screen name, though my real name is pretty easy to figure out.
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Post by fivesidedpixels on Jul 6, 2024 6:17:40 GMT
I hope someone with better knowledge of medieval blacksmithing can pitch in, but AFAIK details like that wavy texture would have been achieved with an incredible amount of filework and chiseling. The branching quillons would've been achieved by cutting the bar at the ends, splitting them into thinner "branches", and rejoining them into one piece via forge welding or some other method. As for the openwork, again, achieved with files and chisels. Rough shapes can be done with grinding wheels and hot forging, but getting the details always boiled down to tedious tool work.
By the way, how deep is your collection now? Kicking it off with an antique rapier (in such good condition!) is one hell of a way to do it! Would you mind posting a full blade shot? Wondering what the proportions look like.
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Post by mrstabby on Jul 6, 2024 8:04:40 GMT
Video 7-9 show the process. Except they would have forge welded things instead of tig welding of course, it's the video with the least power tools I have seen for a basket though. The wavy edges could either be filed or forged in
Also they would have used more planers on the soft metal than grinding tools. Like this:
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Post by Brother Knight on Jul 6, 2024 15:06:05 GMT
I hope someone with better knowledge of medieval blacksmithing can pitch in, but AFAIK details like that wavy texture would have been achieved with an incredible amount of filework and chiseling. The branching quillons would've been achieved by cutting the bar at the ends, splitting them into thinner "branches", and rejoining them into one piece via forge welding or some other method. As for the openwork, again, achieved with files and chisels. Rough shapes can be done with grinding wheels and hot forging, but getting the details always boiled down to tedious tool work. By the way, how deep is your collection now? Kicking it off with an antique rapier (in such good condition!) is one hell of a way to do it! Would you mind posting a full blade shot? Wondering what the proportions look like. Thank you! Yeah, I didn't know a bar could be split like that and I still don't know exactly how it was done. I was kind of guessing forge welding went into the decorative piece on the end of the quillons but I've never done any black smithing personally. A few years ago I played Aramis in the Three Musketeers in our local theater. I have been wanting to get a sword for awhile. Also I can use this for ceremonial purposes with the Knights of Columbus which I'm pretty excited about. Basically when I go to functions I can challenge the other guys to fencing duels (unfortunately these mostly take place in churches so I'm not sure how well that will go). I'll get a full blade shot when I get the chance. It's 42 inches long from pommel to tip.
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Post by Brother Knight on Jul 6, 2024 15:11:35 GMT
Video 7-9 show the process. Except they would have forge welded things instead of tig welding of course, it's the video with the least power tools I have seen for a basket though. The wavy edges could either be filed or forged in
Also they would have used more planers on the soft metal than grinding tools. Like this:
Thank you for sharing the videos, Those videos are as much a work of art as the sword. Very cool. By forged in does it mean to beat over an anvil with a hammer? It would be nice if the guy back then had a camera to show what he did!
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Post by mrstabby on Jul 6, 2024 15:47:36 GMT
Video 7-9 show the process. Except they would have forge welded things instead of tig welding of course, it's the video with the least power tools I have seen for a basket though. The wavy edges could either be filed or forged in
Also they would have used more planers on the soft metal than grinding tools. Like this:
Using dies, like a small metal ridge and beathing the negative into the steel.
There are historians who specialize in recreating how they did it before the advent of modern machinery (also some people who just like trying to figure this out), you can find some videos online.
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Post by fivesidedpixels on Jul 6, 2024 23:22:19 GMT
A few years ago I played Aramis in the Three Musketeers in our local theater. I have been wanting to get a sword for awhile. Also I can use this for ceremonial purposes with the Knights of Columbus which I'm pretty excited about. Basically when I go to functions I can challenge the other guys to fencing duels (unfortunately these mostly take place in churches so I'm not sure how well that will go). That's pretty cool. Going from the feeling of a stage sword to a legitimate rapier in the hands must've been mindblowing. If you'd like to perform a historical grip, hold the sword in a handshake-like fashion, and wrap your forefinger around the quillon. If you can weigh the sword, that'd also be an interesting stat. Should be in the ballpark of 2.5 lbs, give or take. As for your use case... sorry, but I would recommend against that, with an antique especially. The gun is mightier than the sword nowadays, but please remember this is still a lethal weapon designed to harm people. Any play with it has the potential to hurt someone, or worse. Respect it just as you would a firearm. I'd also be careful about doing anything that might tarnish or damage it. Antiques are an irreplaceable glimpse of the past, history that you can feel. Thus it's in our best interest to preserve them. That sword's managed to stay in good condition for 400 years, so hopefully it can stay that way for 400 more. This also means you keep the resale value up, if you ever feel like selling it. Unfortunately, that limits usage to display, dry-handling, and showing to friends in a private setting. If you'd like to do the fun stuff like cutting or sparring, we've got modern swords for both. Exponentially more durable with modern steel, too.
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Post by Brother Knight on Jul 7, 2024 18:35:54 GMT
A few years ago I played Aramis in the Three Musketeers in our local theater. I have been wanting to get a sword for awhile. Also I can use this for ceremonial purposes with the Knights of Columbus which I'm pretty excited about. Basically when I go to functions I can challenge the other guys to fencing duels (unfortunately these mostly take place in churches so I'm not sure how well that will go). That's pretty cool. Going from the feeling of a stage sword to a legitimate rapier in the hands must've been mindblowing. If you'd like to perform a historical grip, hold the sword in a handshake-like fashion, and wrap your forefinger around the quillon. If you can weigh the sword, that'd also be an interesting stat. Should be in the ballpark of 2.5 lbs, give or take. As for your use case... sorry, but I would recommend against that, with an antique especially. The gun is mightier than the sword nowadays, but please remember this is still a lethal weapon designed to harm people. Any play with it has the potential to hurt someone, or worse. Respect it just as you would a firearm. I'd also be careful about doing anything that might tarnish or damage it. Antiques are an irreplaceable glimpse of the past, history that you can feel. Thus it's in our best interest to preserve them. That sword's managed to stay in good condition for 400 years, so hopefully it can stay that way for 400 more. This also means you keep the resale value up, if you ever feel like selling it. Unfortunately, that limits usage to display, dry-handling, and showing to friends in a private setting. If you'd like to do the fun stuff like cutting or sparring, we've got modern swords for both. Exponentially more durable with modern steel, too. The most fun part of the Three Musketeers production was learning actual cuts and parries before we got into staging the scenes. They wanted everything to look realistic so we first had an instructor before we had a choreographer. I would never do actual fencing with this sword but it could be used to demonstrate at least. That's more what I had in mind anyway. The sword weighs just a hair under 2 pounds. Whoever made it cared more about a fancy looking pommel than an actual counterweight (seeing as how its mostly hollow). I appreciate that the concern for aesthetics outweighed the concern for functionality though. It's pretty darn cool looking
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Post by eastman on Jul 7, 2024 21:04:38 GMT
hollow pommels are not uncommon for sword designs, so the real question is where is the point of balance?
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Post by madirish on Jul 8, 2024 0:37:17 GMT
I have been wanting to get a sword for awhile. Also I can use this for ceremonial purposes with the Knights of Columbus which I'm pretty excited about. Basically when I go to functions I can challenge the other guys to fencing duels (unfortunately these mostly take place in churches so I'm not sure how well that will go). Just remember those KoC swords are just props...flimsy with unknown heat treat. No duels, lol, or someone will lose an eye!
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