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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 29, 2024 23:57:51 GMT
I’ve got several other guns, but this is my Single Action Shooting Society Kit for now. 2x Cimarron/Uberti Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Type II Cartridge Conversions in .38 special, a Rossi R92 Winchester 1892 clone in .357/.38 special, and a Stoeger Coach Gun in 12 Gauge.
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Post by eastman on Jun 30, 2024 14:39:56 GMT
good collection of hardware, but you really need a proper hat to complete the kit
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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 30, 2024 17:37:48 GMT
good collection of hardware, but you really need a proper hat to complete the kit That's definitely on the list!
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Post by exeter on Jun 30, 2024 18:16:25 GMT
Looking good! Hope you have fun, from what I've heard SASS is a blast (in every sense of the word!)
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Post by izzy on Jul 1, 2024 6:05:59 GMT
Since your in TX you should be able to find a MX shantung ( special paper "Panama straw") hat, or any nice hat for that matter. My hat lasted about 7 years of use and sometimes abuse, picked it up in MX. I was a little miffed to hear the conversion Uberti were not up to your accuracy standards...people used to praise their 1873, these days Pietta gets most of the business.
Edit: Sights aside, I read that Accurate Molds ( to fit the lands and groves better) might be an option to get better accuracy out of a Uberti .38 conversion:
I would contact them and see what they say about your model.
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Post by nerdthenord on Jul 1, 2024 10:57:17 GMT
Since your in TX you should be able to find a MX shantung ( special paper "Panama straw") hat, or any nice hat for that matter. My hat lasted about 7 years of use and sometimes abuse, picked it up in MX. I was a little miffed to hear the conversion Uberti were not up to your accuracy standards...people used to praise their 1873, these days Pietta gets most of the business.
Edit: I read that Accurate Molds ( to fit the lands and groves better) might be your best option to get better accuracy out of a Uberti .38 conversion:
I would contact them and see what they say about your model.
Thanks for the link. Yeah I was certainly disappointed in the accuracy, it wasn’t exactly what I was expecting. My 1860 Mason conversion is significantly more accurate despite being .45 colt. I also had issues with bullet length. I had to buy a box of Magtech .38 because the Sellier and Bellot that I normally run in my Carbine was too long and would jam up the cylinder when it got to the forcing cone. Overall they are gorgeous revolvers and I have no buyers remorse, but they are going to be a bit trickier than I expected.
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Post by izzy on Jul 1, 2024 11:30:05 GMT
Since your in TX you should be able to find a MX shantung ( special paper "Panama straw") hat, or any nice hat for that matter. My hat lasted about 7 years of use and sometimes abuse, picked it up in MX. I was a little miffed to hear the conversion Uberti were not up to your accuracy standards...people used to praise their 1873, these days Pietta gets most of the business.
Edit: I read that Accurate Molds ( to fit the lands and groves better) might be your best option to get better accuracy out of a Uberti .38 conversion:
I would contact them and see what they say about your model.
Thanks for the link. Yeah I was certainly disappointed in the accuracy, it wasn’t exactly what I was expecting. My 1860 Mason conversion is significantly more accurate despite being .45 colt. I also had issues with bullet length. I had to buy a box of Magtech .38 because the Sellier and Bellot that I normally run in my Carbine was too long and would jam up the cylinder when it got to the forcing cone. Overall they are gorgeous revolvers and I have no buyers remorse, but they are going to be a bit trickier than I expected. The Uberti conversions were Supposed to be made for regular 38 Special ammo back in the day...if they are putting BP barrels on the conversions ( ![???](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ) then all bets are off..
You can have it checked if your bore diameter is .375" then it's a BP .36 barrel, I mean I doubt it, but one never knows:
I would hope it's not that bad, because then it's a musket with a cylinder. One could see if a 158gr flat nose bullet sinks down into the barrel ( don't force). Or any big 38 bullet that has the final diameter outside the casing...if it sinks in too far, that would be an overbore condition. ( also used to check a bore worn at the muzzle in older guns).
One could also slug the barrel, bore diameter is from one land to the next:
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Post by nerdthenord on Jul 1, 2024 18:35:43 GMT
Thanks for the link. Yeah I was certainly disappointed in the accuracy, it wasn’t exactly what I was expecting. My 1860 Mason conversion is significantly more accurate despite being .45 colt. I also had issues with bullet length. I had to buy a box of Magtech .38 because the Sellier and Bellot that I normally run in my Carbine was too long and would jam up the cylinder when it got to the forcing cone. Overall they are gorgeous revolvers and I have no buyers remorse, but they are going to be a bit trickier than I expected. The Uberti conversions were Supposed to be made for regular 38 Special ammo back in the day...if they are putting BP barrels on the conversions ( ![???](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ) then all bets are off..
You can have it checked if your bore diameter is .375" then it's a BP .36 barrel, I mean I doubt it, but one never knows:
I would hope it's not that bad, because then it's a musket with a cylinder. One could see if a 158gr flat nose bullet sinks down into the barrel ( don't force). Or any big 38 bullet that has the final diameter outside the casing...if it sinks in too far, that would be an overbore condition. ( also used to check a bore worn at the muzzle in older guns).
One could also slug the barrel, bore diameter is from one land to the next:
AT least the barrel and frame both say .38 special on them Barrel says ".38 colt and S&W special" and the frame just says .38. Maybe it has to do with how the .38 type II conversions are really more of a mix match of 1851, 1861, and 1860 parts than simply being a scaled down 1860? My .45 Mason 1860 is darn near perfect, except for the ejector rod attachment screw, which I almost immediately blue LokTite'd down. I really really like these, but the ammo incident really gave me pause. Magtech ran perfectly (except the accuracy), snap caps run fine. The polymer coated lead round nose Sellier and Bellot have a light stickiness when moving past the forcing cone, we will see if that causes issue, but the TMC ones will not move into firing position, I had to take the barrel off to remove the cylinder to remove the bullet. I'm hoping it's just an ammo brand issue but something's off. My 1892 loves the S&B bullets.
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Post by izzy on Jul 2, 2024 7:45:04 GMT
I hope you get to the bottom of the issue, and it's not such a big deal (one solvable with the right mold), but I am concerned about it, as you are. In theory, .38 should have given you an advantage with lower recoil than even "Cowboy Loads" in .45 LC.
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Post by exeter on Jul 2, 2024 11:34:14 GMT
I'd suggest trying a box of wadcutters out of your revolvers. If there is some variation in your bore diameters, the expanding base of the wadcutter should deal with it.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jul 2, 2024 21:01:00 GMT
The leather on your rigs is in want of some distressing.
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Post by izzy on Jul 3, 2024 5:24:05 GMT
I'd suggest trying a box of wadcutters out of your revolvers. If there is some variation in your bore diameters, the expanding base of the wadcutter should deal with it. Good call. I had to look that up, and indeed most are soft lead w/ a cone at the bottom...definitely worth a try.
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