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Post by riggedcontingency on Jun 17, 2024 0:44:23 GMT
Hello, Looking into buying an 1822 French cavalry sabre and am looking at two options but would like learn a bit more about the specific swords before I buy them. Any help on identifying the specifics would be appreciated! 1. Looks like an 1822 pattern heavy cavalry officer’s (maybe mounted artillery?) bancal. The blade fuller looks a bit more like the ones on the post-1860s light cavalry sabres but since the bancal was retired in the 1850s is this a bit strange? No poincons or other inscriptions except for officer’s initials on the pommel. Scabbard has one ring. ![1.jpg](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/cQMrJYUBqWONMcXAg0fU.png) ![Picture2.jpg](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/caUwOWiHyWhGWeCEkRiw.png) ![IMG_8272.JPG](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/GFBLltEoZfBUyqpqdjRI.png) Second one: Light cavalry sabre with poincons on the hilt ‘R’ and ‘B’ (probably Reallon (1876 – 1883) and Brenier (1874 – 1895) at Chatellerault). However, again the fuller doesn’t seem to match up as it has the pre-1960 straight fuller ending. Would these older blades have been remounted later on? Scabbard has one ring. ![Picture3.jpg](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/jTSBcaDNSrpTK0lcOMJK.png) ![Picture4.jpg](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/fkcAUbPbdfhmemlcEvAv.png) ![Picture5.jpg](https://storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/qJSiKozlUYveZgwfZnEi.png)
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Post by pellius on Jun 18, 2024 3:06:27 GMT
Welcome to the forum
The 1822’s are among my favorites, but alas I’m no expert and can’t help too much with markings.
Regarding the heavy:
I have two 1822 heavy cav officer sabers (first gen). Both have the usual spine engravings, and both have the usual grip shape rather than the LCS officer grip. I don’t recall ever seeing a heavy with a grip that shape, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they never existed. Still, from what I can see it looks like it might be an assembly of mismatched parts.
The proximal fuller termination looks wrong to me, even for a 3d gen LCS.
Do you have a photo of the entire blade or its length measurement? Maybe also check the peen for signs of reassembly.
Regarding the light:
I would’ve expected a 2d gen trooper to have the usual spine engravings. They do sometimes get sanded off, though.
If I were buying, I would hold out for a first gen Bancal with intact spine markings to reliably date it. Truly marvelous sabers in the hand, with impressive reach. Also less expensive than their light cav brethren. Intact markings would help ensure the saber is genuine. Might help with resale, too.
The ‘22 light cav’s are also a very nice sabers. Again, I’d hold out for a first gen with intact spine markings.
jmtc
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