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Post by mrstabby on Jun 27, 2024 20:38:27 GMT
I wouldnt say 400 is a lot just remembering millions of tourists swim there each year. And of course going were the sharks are increases risk, just like going into avalanche danger snow - avalanches took 18lives and wounded 130 people in austria alone, this is 10% of deaths from skiing, over all still very little chance to get into one though. It matters a lot how you behave, loudly splashing attracts attacks, also time of day and shark species around. Me and my father have seen sharks numerous times while diving and nothing happened. There are definate risk factors you can avoid easily - with wild animals as with avalanches. i wonder how many of these 400 swam where it was known sharks were or where previous attacks happened.
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Post by treeslicer on Jun 27, 2024 21:16:29 GMT
I don’t know. All this talk about defending against a shark. I like my practice of NEVER GOING INTO THE OCEAN AGAIN! Works 100% of the time. 😏 Good reads and videos though. I used to periodically scuba dive under my sailboat, while berthed at a marina, to scrape barnacles and other crap off of her. When I did this, it would attract various fish to snack on the scrapings, including a large grouper who lived in the area. Sometimes, he'd get overly bold, and bump into me, or brush up against my fins or tanks, etc. I got to where I ignored this, except to kick him or punch him if he got too annoying. One day, while I was busy scraping, my right fin got tugged pretty hard, I gave a mighty kick with my finned and bootied foot, the tugging quit, and I thought little more of it. When I climbed out of the water, I found a lunate of tooth marks on my jet fin, that hadn't been put there by a grouper.............. I added a bangstick to my routine after that, but never had a shark approach me again while scraping.
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Post by LeMal on Jun 27, 2024 21:35:56 GMT
It's legal to hunt Black Bears with 9mm in Wisconsin...
@ LeMal
Good point about traditional spear fishing and sharks, as well as fisherman processing sharks ( shark fin soup?) ... I would not want to hunt ANYTHING to extinction, in fact I do not hunt at all... No talk here of extermination, just defense.
Totally agreed! I only mentioned what could be done to them if we used sad examples of when humans, well, actually have not given a damn and went all out. Interesting about current WI regulations. I moved out West from Minnesota in 2003 when 39, and used to bowhunt black bears over bait throughout my youth and adulthood until then. Would've loved to be able to carry a gun too, especially sneaking to and from my stand, but it wasn't allowed. That's when I learned to appreciate bear spray. Weirdest--yet oddly non-scary--experience was when one about 200 lb snuck in on wet leaves just after a rain, sniffed around the bait... then --slowly--followed my tracks from where I'd walked to it and added some, then went to my stand. So here it was, standing and leaning on the tree, sniffing literally less than five feet under me; and here I was, bear spray readied, but strangely most concerned whether it'd give me a good shot angle if it gave up and left. (It didn't.) Another time though made me appreciate that a mere bow shot, if it nailed the CNS, would drop even a big bear in its tracks. Had that happen once on a bear and once on a deer each time when the broadhead hit the spinal cord. Both times I was shocked and couldn't believe it for a few minutes in the sudden silence, while the animal lay there, wondering if it was somehow just scared and hunkering down. Also a weird experience!
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Post by izzy on Jun 27, 2024 22:02:36 GMT
I wouldnt say 400 is a lot just remembering millions of tourists swim there each year. And of course going were the sharks are increases risk, just like going into avalanche danger snow - avalanches took 18lives and wounded 130 people in austria alone, this is 10% of deaths from skiing, over all still very little chance to get into one though. It matters a lot how you behave, loudly splashing attracts attacks, also time of day and shark species around. Me and my father have seen sharks numerous times while diving and nothing happened. There are definate risk factors you can avoid easily - with wild animals as with avalanches. i wonder how many of these 400 swam where it was known sharks were or where previous attacks happened.
Tourists mostly from South Africa in Durban and KZN, some surfer crowd do go to KZN for waves, warmer water and the "Baillito pro" comp.
Cape Town gets the most tourists, esp. foreign as it's considered "safe" in terms of crime ( It's not).
Also keep in mind the busy beaches in KZN and Cape Town still have Shark netting, so we would have to adjust for that..
Remove the shark netting, and maybe we could talk numbers with more clarity, but that would cost lives and limbs. It's obvious to me they put it up for a good reason.
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We could argue all day on what the term "rare" means, but then we would first have to argue which one of us is Socrates, and which one is Plato.
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Post by izzy on Jun 27, 2024 22:39:20 GMT
I don’t know. All this talk about defending against a shark. I like my practice of NEVER GOING INTO THE OCEAN AGAIN! Works 100% of the time. 😏 Good reads and videos though. I used to periodically scuba dive under my sailboat, while berthed at a marina, to scrape barnacles and other crap off of her. When I did this, it would attract various fish to snack on the scrapings, including a large grouper who lived in the area. Sometimes, he'd get overly bold, and bump into me, or brush up against my fins or tanks, etc. I got to where I ignored this, except to kick him or punch him if he got too annoying. One day, while I was busy scraping, my right fin got tugged pretty hard, I gave a mighty kick with my finned and bootied foot, the tugging quit, and I thought little more of it. When I climbed out of the water, I found a lunate of tooth marks on my jet fin, that hadn't been put there by a grouper.............. I added a bangstick to my routine after that, but never had a shark approach me again while scraping. One does wonder if it would have taken a good chomp off you if it went for flesh instead of a fin...even a "curiosity bite" is harmful.
But I can just hear a small voice in my head ( from the .0000001 % of me that is shark sympathizer)
"a small juvenile shark that did not know any better, had a bad sea life and was abused and bullied in the school of sharks....bad humans made it that way...if you don't bother it, it won't bother you...HOW DARE YOU invade it's Marina habitat...etc. etc."
However, the more I get involved in this thread...the more I think I would: a) Ignore my wife, she is already mad at me paying more attention to the computer than her in any case b) ignore my previous advice to rely ONLY on an electronic repellent C) Hate sharks.
Since I don't want to hate Gods Creatures too much, even if they "eat your lunch" in your stomach...I think I will switch to bears which are cute and cuddly.
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Post by izzy on Jun 27, 2024 23:11:09 GMT
It's legal to hunt Black Bears with 9mm in Wisconsin...
@ LeMal
Good point about traditional spear fishing and sharks, as well as fisherman processing sharks ( shark fin soup?) ... I would not want to hunt ANYTHING to extinction, in fact I do not hunt at all... No talk here of extermination, just defense.
Totally agreed! I only mentioned what could be done to them if we used sad examples of when humans, well, actually have not given a damn and went all out. Interesting about current WI regulations. I moved out West from Minnesota in 2003 when 39, and used to bowhunt black bears over bait throughout my youth and adulthood until then. Would've loved to be able to carry a gun too, especially sneaking to and from my stand, but it wasn't allowed. That's when I learned to appreciate bear spray. Weirdest--yet oddly non-scary--experience was when one about 200 lb snuck in on wet leaves just after a rain, sniffed around the bait... then --slowly--followed my tracks from where I'd walked to it and added some, then went to my stand. So here it was, standing and leaning on the tree, sniffing literally less than five feet under me; and here I was, bear spray readied, but strangely most concerned whether it'd give me a good shot angle if it gave up and left. (It didn't.) Another time though made me appreciate that a mere bow shot, if it nailed the CNS, would drop even a big bear in its tracks. Had that happen once on a bear and once on a deer each time when the broadhead hit the spinal cord. Both times I was shocked and couldn't believe it for a few minutes in the sudden silence, while the animal lay there, wondering if it was somehow just scared and hunkering down. Also a weird experience! MN the land of the 1.5 month summer. Got work in a slaughterhouse in Buffalo Lake in 2005, and Windom, as well as one place I can't remember right now, was OK for a Young(ish) Schochet. Kept my residency there, got my South Africa born wife her green card, then lived in St. Louis Park for a few years commuting a few hours drive to work.
Moved to Fla ( where I was born) in 2011 about a year after buying 20 acres.
In FL had a big male Black Bear in my area. Before I moved to my land I was killing invasive sand pines, and planting Native Long leaf. I would drive from Winter park (Orlando area) to Jackson Co., set up a tent and work for a couple of days at a time. A fellow land owner who used his property for hunting came over and told me a bear wrecked his tent....I had already stopped eating in the tent due to fire ants the week before....that Very same night I had a stomach ache and had a hard time sleeping....while lying on my stomach I hear big crackeling noises...
What big animal could that be?
I grabbed my Glock 30, and peeked outside the tent, turned on the flashlight, BIG glowing eyes looking right back at me a few feet out...I yelled "BOO"!! That big black bear went "thumpity thump" running down my side of the sandhill down to the creek....
I saw him now and then in later years, very rarely, but he kept his distance those times....I think it learned to survive the very high poaching pressure by being more shy. In fact the deer would run to my property when "hunters" driving around in pickups ( including fellow land owners sometimes in the area, and worse yet the poachers) would just drive in up and down the road to flush out deer and shoot from the vehicles...
I never called any game wardens, as that is food for people...and shooting out of season the kings deer w/o a levy is not a crime in my book. The Poachers who would invade my property got a Pb welcome, and they often threw Pb back...and that is not counting the Meth gang that got high on their own supply...those guys would go toe to toe and were protected by the sheriff and eff Bee Eye.
Snakes I would kill, and have, sometimes by accident the beneficial ones, but one neighbor was bit twice, and even some of my Guineafowl were bit ( and died by a copper head ( usually it was rattlers and also Pygmy rattlers).
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Post by larason2 on Jul 7, 2024 1:48:30 GMT
You've lived in interesting times! At least you had a gun when you faced the bear. I'm sure many wild animals now are weary of guns and things like bear spray. I've heard that if a bear that's been sprayed before just hears you shake up a bear spray can they'll run away. Not pleasant for any animal. The problem with bear spray though is what happens if the bottle explodes!
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Post by izzy on Jul 7, 2024 20:44:30 GMT
You've lived in interesting times! At least you had a gun when you faced the bear. I'm sure many wild animals now are weary of guns and things like bear spray. I've heard that if a bear that's been sprayed before just hears you shake up a bear spray can they'll run away. Not pleasant for any animal. The problem with bear spray though is what happens if the bottle explodes! The last time I saw that bear I was on the top of the hill watering trees, my wife started up the Subaru and the bear popped up and ran...he became less of a nuisance animal as he got older an wiser, a fine specimen and glad I did not have to pull that trigger.
I could see myself carrying bear spray if I was hiking/ camping, but in addition to a firearm, just my bias. There are too many bears that are not afraid of humans. On super rare occasions we saw a FL Panther through the trees mostly just heard the screams ( sounds like a lady screaming/ screeching), and saw the paw prints ( quite a bit). The sad thing about the Florida Panther is they were watered down with Mountain Lions from TX imported by .gov, so there are not as many black ones as in the past.
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 11, 2024 14:59:34 GMT
If you're bound and determined to spray attacking bears, there's this switch on an FAL........
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Post by eastman on Jul 12, 2024 1:17:41 GMT
If you're bound and determined to spray attacking bears, there's this switch on an FAL........
well there is on the real ones
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