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Post by cxpressions on Apr 16, 2024 12:19:55 GMT
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 16, 2024 18:35:19 GMT
That's pretty much it. Doesn't strike me as particularly exceptional or very old, but I don't know much about these outside of owning two, myself. There are several groups and other forums hosting people who know a lot more about these than the folks who are left here. www.vikingsword.com/vb/index.phpm.facebook.com/groups/1060487124355407/These are two I can recommend as featuring people very knowledgeable in this specific field. |
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Post by mrstabby on Apr 16, 2024 19:10:26 GMT
It does not look used for the clensing ritual, but it still might be an "original", but there probably were as many smiths making these as there were people buying them. The "originals" were more or less custom IIRC made by a smith close to the family for use in the cleansing ritual (the name escapes me at the moment).
This one might be one made for tourists or export (since it does not look like it has been bathed in acid much), not that there is much difference the same smiths made both, but in the end the multitude of smiths making very similar blades makes it hard to really say much, unless it is a very unique one.
Can you show a close-up of the blade? If it was used in the cleansing ritual, the blade would be slighly eroded and might look older than it is.
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Post by cxpressions on Apr 16, 2024 19:37:43 GMT
That's pretty much it. Doesn't strike me as particularly exceptional or very old, but I don't know much about these outside of owning two, myself. There are several groups and other forums hosting people who know a lot more about these than the folks who are left here. www.vikingsword.com/vb/index.phpm.facebook.com/groups/1060487124355407/These are two I can recommend as featuring people very knowledgeable in this specific field. Thank you! I appreciate your comment and further direction with the two links you attached. |
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Post by cxpressions on Apr 16, 2024 19:40:09 GMT
It does not look used for the clensing ritual, but it still might be an "original", but there probably were as many smiths making these as there were people buying them. The "originals" were more or less custom IIRC made by a smith close to the family for use in the cleansing ritual (the name escapes me at the moment). This one might be one made for tourists or export (since it does not look like it has been bathed in acid much), not that there is much difference the same smiths made both, but in the end the multitude of smiths making very similar blades makes it hard to really say much, unless it is a very unique one. Can you show a close-up of the blade? If it was used in the cleansing ritual, the blade would be slighly eroded and might look older than it is. Here are two additional pictures of the blade. Not the greatest but what I have. I appreciate your comment and your help. The people traveled all over the world and the wife is from the Philippines so I would also consider it most likely to be one made for a tourist. Thank you! Attachments:
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 16, 2024 20:45:27 GMT
It does not look used for the clensing ritual, but it still might be an "original", but there probably were as many smiths making these as there were people buying them. The "originals" were more or less custom IIRC made by a smith close to the family for use in the cleansing ritual (the name escapes me at the moment). This one might be one made for tourists or export (since it does not look like it has been bathed in acid much), not that there is much difference the same smiths made both, but in the end the multitude of smiths making very similar blades makes it hard to really say much, unless it is a very unique one. Can you show a close-up of the blade? If it was used in the cleansing ritual, the blade would be slighly eroded and might look older than it is. Cleansing ritual? Are you talking about Javanese/Malaysian keris? I didn't think the Moro or other Filippino groups did any sort of ritual with these. |
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Post by treeslicer on Apr 16, 2024 23:23:45 GMT
It does not look used for the clensing ritual, but it still might be an "original", but there probably were as many smiths making these as there were people buying them. The "originals" were more or less custom IIRC made by a smith close to the family for use in the cleansing ritual (the name escapes me at the moment). This one might be one made for tourists or export (since it does not look like it has been bathed in acid much), not that there is much difference the same smiths made both, but in the end the multitude of smiths making very similar blades makes it hard to really say much, unless it is a very unique one. Can you show a close-up of the blade? If it was used in the cleansing ritual, the blade would be slighly eroded and might look older than it is. The arsenic and fruit juice routine that blackens and pits the blades on Indonesian keris stabbing daggers (a species of rapier) is Javanese in origin and not done on Philippine Moro kris cut-and-thrust swords. The talismanic beliefs attached to the keris don't apply to the Moro kris, either. I don't know why the Moro weapon crudely copies the keris shape, but they are totally different weapons in history and in use. IIRC, the Moros got the idea from the Peninsula, not from Indonesia. |
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Post by mrstabby on Apr 19, 2024 15:37:36 GMT
Crap, I am sorry. Seems there was a reason I failed geography.
Really sorry, I thought Moro was javanese. At lest someone caught my mistake. Lesson learned I guess.
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