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Post by Jonathas Nunes on Apr 10, 2024 20:53:21 GMT
Hello everyone, I hope everyone is well. My last post here was a long time ago. I was very inactive on the Forum and had some personal problems that prevented me from being here for a good part of last year. So I couldn't contribute much, but I'll still make the post I promised about republican Brazilian swords and sabers. But today, and in my next 2 posts, I ask again for your help to identify a sword. This time it's a Spadroon that I recently acquired at auction. It has an 18th century style and was advertised as such. But it doesn't have any manufacturing marks or anything on the blade. It only has a mark on the guard which I assume is a "II X" or "U X". A friend told me that it could be a civil French spadroon from the time of Louis XV. I searched on Google and found a photo of one very similar to this one. However, there was no information about it, it was just a reddit thread about Hema. The hilt is made of horn, and the guard and pommel of bronze or brass. The sword is 101cm in total length and weighs 519g. I leave several photos here for you to analyze. And thank you in advance for any information.
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Post by bas on Apr 10, 2024 21:20:22 GMT
You have a 'loop hilt' smallsword/spadroon, mid to late 18th Century. The side ring has been compressed in on your sword, as normally this would stand out more to give the side loop.
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Post by howler on Apr 10, 2024 21:31:53 GMT
This is/was a perfect question for former resident & angry grump Edelweiss, as nobody knew more about a spadroon than he.
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Post by Jonathas Nunes on Apr 12, 2024 18:56:21 GMT
Thanks guys for the answers. But I keep looking for something more specific, like who/what type of armed force would have used it and also what these marks on the Guard mean.
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Post by Jayhawk on Apr 13, 2024 21:54:32 GMT
That blade looks more modern to me than 18th century...more like the spadroons you see in the US during the Federal period (1820s through the Civil War). I'm not saying it's American at all, but that blade looks like what was being produced, often in Solingen, for the US market at that time.
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Post by bas on Apr 14, 2024 21:27:15 GMT
Thanks guys for the answers. But I keep looking for something more specific, like who/what type of armed force would have used it and also what these marks on the Guard mean. I wish you luck with that. As Jayhawk has mentioned, there is a good chance that this is a composit sword (i.e. made of dissimilar parts) with a blade that's mid 19th Centry on a 18th Century hilt.
This means that the blade is more likely to be military as by this time civilians generally stopped carrying swords for self defence, with without markings it'll be difficult to give a difinitive answer since it's a fairly generic style.
The hilt however is more likely to be of civilian origins, in the 18th Century it was common for gentlemen to carry swords for fashion, status and defence of one's self and honour. It could have been carried by a military officer, but at this time there were few regulation smallswords, and this style of hilt was not one of them.
To compound the issue, even when there were regulations they were often bent as officers were required to purchase their own swords and many would aquire swords that were more to their liking than strictly regulation.
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Post by Jonathas Nunes on Apr 23, 2024 14:04:35 GMT
Hello everybody. Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I also continued researching and also posted in the facebook group "International Antique Sword Collectors" and got good responses which gave me good help as well. We found others similar and it is indeed of German origin. Apparently it is a type of civil model from the mid-18th century. And yes, what you said about the blade is a possibility, but it also follows the standards of others at the time. So I think it may have simply been too clean.
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Post by Jonathas Nunes on May 3, 2024 20:01:25 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 3, 2024 20:05:58 GMT
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