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Post by stevengraham on Apr 10, 2024 0:48:27 GMT
I was playing with my new design for a bio-filter for gold fish pond and a nieghbor came by and said I hear you like knives and gave me this. photos.app.goo.gl/FBPLq6f4ZV13B2qc8My curiosity got the best of me and thought I would look it up, it seemed old. I could find all sorts of J.A. Henckels blades but no go on this one. The only markings is the manufacture J.A. Henckels Twin Works Solingen Germany The blade is 13 3/4 inches Overall is 19 1/4 inches I could find all kinds of this blade style but not in this length by JA Henckels. If you are bored see what you can find. I struck out. |
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Post by eastman on Apr 10, 2024 0:56:05 GMT
looks like a butcher's knife which has been re-sharpened so many times the shape has changed
you are here, so I think that qualifies you as a "blade nut". Welcome to the club.
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Post by stevengraham on Apr 10, 2024 1:03:09 GMT
looks like a butcher's knife which has been re-sharpened so many times the shape has changed you are here, so I think that qualifies you as a "blade nut". Welcome to the club. you may have a point on the nut part. I dunno about the shape change, maybe, the edge follows the spine fairly well. |
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Post by eastman on Apr 10, 2024 1:05:44 GMT
with much re-sharpening, the blades become more narrow and the point changes
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Post by larason2 on Apr 10, 2024 11:23:41 GMT
Haha, welcome to the club! I agree this has been resharpened to the point it looks different than it did originally. Nice knife, I would have been delighted to get this!
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Post by izzy on Apr 10, 2024 13:09:03 GMT
I prefer the term "Blade Enthusiast"  One could also use the term "Historical Hoplo Conservationist" at the next event and raise a few eyebrows. |
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Post by mrstabby on Apr 10, 2024 17:35:01 GMT
It's a "Zerlegemesser" (lit. disassembly knife  ), the butcher uses these to dismember big animals, I think they were also used to bleed animals. The US version of this knife looks similar but has a flared tip. The bigger the knife, the bigger the animal, cows or bigger probably. They are made to be disposable, manufactured in the thousands. Since they are used up quickly, finding an old one that has a semblence of its former shape is unusual.
I have no idea if this information is helpful or wanted, but there it is.... |
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Post by stevengraham on Apr 10, 2024 19:18:35 GMT
It's a "Zerlegemesser" (lit. disassembly knife ), the butcher uses these to dismember big animals, I think they were also used to bleed animals. The US version of this knife looks similar but has a flared tip. The bigger the knife, the bigger the animal, cows or bigger probably. They are made to be disposable, manufactured in the thousands. Since they are used up quickly, finding an old one that has a semblence of its former shape is unusual.
I have no idea if this information is helpful or wanted, but there it is.... Well now I know. Thanks a bunch. I wondered why I could not find it listed being a specialty knife for the meat industry explains part of the lack of information. Again thank you very much. Past year wierd blades have been passed on to me....LOL...Katana, Tanto, now a Zerlegemesser blade. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 10, 2024 19:53:32 GMT
To call a katana, waki or tanto "zerlegemesser" in German isn't really inappropriate!  Another term is "zerwirk", usually for the room where you do this. "Deconstruction room"!  |
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Post by mrstabby on Apr 10, 2024 20:28:08 GMT
A blade by any other name will still cut as deeply.
Zerwirkmesser - a good name for a Grosses Messer no?
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Post by madirish on Apr 10, 2024 22:01:39 GMT
Called a "breaking knife" in English. Common butcher's tool and that's its normal shape.
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Post by stevengraham on Apr 10, 2024 23:45:28 GMT
Called a "breaking knife" in English. Common butcher's tool and that's its normal shape. thx for the info. its a little large but I think it is cool knife, had fun cleaning it up for my son |
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Post by eastman on Apr 11, 2024 1:49:14 GMT
Called a "breaking knife" in English. Common butcher's tool and that's its normal shape.
mrstabby made a good point about the difference between the German and American versions. I'm more familiar with the American flared tip style from the 1800s.
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Post by madirish on Apr 11, 2024 14:07:37 GMT
I guess I'd have to see an example...I'm not aware of any differences...everyone seems to offer similar profiles.
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Post by mrstabby on Apr 11, 2024 17:30:08 GMT
At least that's what I was told, I actually prefer the "US shape". In the end the flared tip also existed early on in europe for skinning, but the american butchers seem to prefer bigger versions of this shape to do the whole butchering job.
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Post by madirish on Apr 11, 2024 22:42:31 GMT
Maybe back in the day, but the "Euro Style" seems to be pretty common today from what I've seen for breaking knife offerings. Caveat: I'm not a butcher, but I've seen their tools, lol.
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One could also use the term "Historical Hoplo Conservationist" at the next event and raise a few eyebrows. 
), the butcher uses these to dismember big animals, I think they were also used to bleed animals. The US version of this knife looks similar but has a flared tip. The bigger the knife, the bigger the animal, cows or bigger probably.
