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Post by jfnobody on Apr 9, 2024 20:17:06 GMT
This is from an English translation of a late 19th century fencing manual. I am just curious if anyone has any pics of real life examples of it? The author calls it a haurappier imgur.com/a/rq5MTqH
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 9, 2024 20:31:22 GMT
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Post by jfnobody on Apr 9, 2024 20:42:54 GMT
The author was not an academic fencer , were these commonly used outside those circles in the 1880s? The author covers fencing in general but defense and combat were at least partially the context. I thought mensur stuff was pretty specialized?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 9, 2024 20:59:31 GMT
A difficult question. The Glockenschläger was used exclusively in mensures. But in Germany 17th/18th century there were discussions about only thrust fencing and cut and thrust fencing. Also the term rapier was used in a wider meaning than in England. So it's possible the author meant a straight cut and thrust sword like a pallash or a heavier military degen/spadroon. But the hilt looks like a Glockenschläger.
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Post by jfnobody on Apr 9, 2024 21:09:39 GMT
A difficult question. The Glockenschläger was used exclusively in mensures. But in Germany 17th/18th century there were discussions about only thrust fencing and cut and thrust fencing. Also the term rapier was used in a wider meaning than in England. So it's possible the author meant a straight cut and thrust sword like a pallash or a heavier military degen/spadroon. But the hilt looks like a Glockenschläger. It is an interesting book but terminology seems rough The author shows the sword being carried/used by a wide variety of people also imgur.com/a/avaJ1A4imgur.com/a/j19gQoTimgur.com/a/hHZOys3
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 9, 2024 21:26:19 GMT
But there are also differences in the used weapons/hilts in the drawings. It looks like it's about cut and thrust fencing and not mensures which are only cut fencing. No lunging which is a sign for mainly thrust fencing. So probably a cut and thrust sword, a degen, a sword,, spadroon or light pallash/haudegen
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Post by jfnobody on Apr 9, 2024 21:30:08 GMT
But there are also differences in the used weapons/hilts in the drawings. It looks like it's about cut and thrust fencing and not mensures which are only cut fencing. So probably a cut and thrust sword, a degen, a sword,, spadroon or light pallash. makes sense
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