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Post by fmsadk on Apr 3, 2024 1:00:56 GMT
There are two numbers on the scabbard, one is 4. A.F.3H.42 and the other is 4. A.F.11.39, but this one has been dotted and erased Please help me identify which unit it belongs to? Attachments:
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Post by madirish on Apr 3, 2024 13:20:43 GMT
The one that is not crossed out is the one to which the saber was last isued...the 4th Fussartillerie-Regiment, Munitionskolonne Nr. 3 (of ? Batallion), Waffe Nr. 42 The crossed out one on the scabbard is from when the scabbard was issued with a different sword in a different unit of the 4th Fussartillerie-Regiment, I'd generally read it as the 11th Company, but not completely sure that is correct as from what I read there were not that many companies in a Imperial Foot Artillery Regiment. Did you buy that on auction in 2021? Just found a listing for this sword from then, lol. www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/62084575/sword-and-scabbard
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Post by fmsadk on Apr 4, 2024 15:23:22 GMT
The one that is not crossed out is the one to which the saber was last isued...the 4th Fussartillerie-Regiment, Munitionskolonne Nr. 3 (of ? Batallion), Waffe Nr. 42 The crossed out one on the scabbard is from when the scabbard was issued with a different sword in a different unit of the 4th Fussartillerie-Regiment, I'd generally read it as the 11th Company, but not completely sure that is correct as from what I read there were not that many companies in a Imperial Foot Artillery Regiment. Did you buy that on auction in 2021? Just found a listing for this sword from then, lol. www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/62084575/sword-and-scabbardThank you very much for your information. I will do my best to inquire about the history of this unit. I found that the blade of this saber has been sharpen, and I am not sure if this means that this knife has participated in combat. I am also curious about what it means its unit has been changed. I just started trying to collect saber, and I was attracted by the shape of 1873. The handle is powerful, and the curve and tip is very beautiful. I recently bought it from a businessman.
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Post by fritz1888 on Apr 6, 2024 20:30:47 GMT
Hi,
Madirish was almost there.
4. A.F.3.H.42 = Fußartillerie-Regiment Encke (Magdeburgisches) Nr. 4, 3rd Battery/Company Howitzers, Weapon Nr. 42
4. A.F.11.39 = Fußartillerie-Regiment Encke (Magdeburgisches) Nr. 4, 11th Battery/Company, Weapon Nr. 39
I hope this helps,
Fritz1888
PS: The pattern is not 1873 - this is a mistake in English-speaking literature. This simply was referred to as the Artillerie-Säbel neuer Art (i.e. new pattern)
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Post by madirish on Apr 7, 2024 2:15:41 GMT
What are you basing this on, Fritz..that it is battery #3/3rd company? I am not at home right now, but the resource I have (sorry, can't think of the name and author right now....but it is a German text I purchased that covers weapon markings through WWII) was clear that this was from a munitionskolonne in the Regiment. Interested to learn how this is wrong. And, yes, the Prussian 4th Foot Artillery Regiment is fully Fussartillerie-Regiment Encke (Magdeburgisches) Nr. 4 the Magdeburg.
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Post by fritz1888 on Apr 9, 2024 20:02:48 GMT
For starters, the standard text in English is The Imperial German Regimental Marking, Revised Edition by Jeff Noll or in German Handbuch deutscher Waffenstempel auf Militär- und Dienstwaffen 1871-2000, Görtz, J./Wacker, A.
I must admit, I had to read up and look at the various markings and sequences in a bit more detail but if you look at these you will see that a Batallion is marked by a Roman numeral, which is missing here.
Now, the 3 does indeed seem to stand for 3rd Munitions Column but the H stands without a doubt for Haubitzen/Howitzers/Mortars. So, the valid stamp 4. A.F.3.H.42 translates to Fußartillerie-Regiment Encke (Magdeburgisches) Nr. 4, 3rd Munitions Column for the regiment's Howitzers, Weapon Nr. 42.
Apologies, it's a bit nerdy and like reading the Matrix ;-)
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Post by madirish on Apr 9, 2024 21:03:30 GMT
I have Noll, but Noll simply didn't seem to have an example close that of this piece. He as A.F.x._H (Munitionskolonne [Haubitzen] - des Bataillons x des Fuss-Atillerie-Regimentsbut- where x is a roman numeral) or simply A.F.
The interpretation I used is from Handbuch Deutscher Waffenstempel auf Militaer- und Diensthandwaffen 1871-2000 (Wacker and Goertz).
Wacker and Goertz have this as the closest similar: 1.A.F.12.H.10 - 1. Fussartillerie-Regiment, Munitionskolonne 12 des II Bataillons, Artillerie-Saebel 10
But I guess what is throwing me off is the "3"...low enough number it must be a battery and not a support unit.
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