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Post by dah on Feb 25, 2024 16:05:22 GMT
Hello, Thank you for accepting me in to your Forum. I am an arms collector specialising in the Napoleonic period. After searching for some time I have added to my collection a 1796 pattern Heavy Cavalry Sword and I am trying to determine the origin / meaning of the ( regimental? ) marks on the blade and scabbard. Although the scabbard and blade are by different manufacturers the markings are identical as shown on the photographs. The only other information I can add is that the sword is believed to be one of the 2000 swords purchased by Sweden, but I have made enquiries with the Swedish Army Museum, and although they believe the numbers follow the Swedish format, they are unable to help in identifying them. I have come across this post which includes similar stampings to the ones I am researching by Uhlan sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/59901/swedish-m1825-dragoon-hussar-sabreCould Uhlan or anyone else please help me with my search for the history of the marks and the regiment? Thanks and regards to all.
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Post by madirish on Feb 25, 2024 16:56:52 GMT
Think the Swedes called it a M1808 Pallasch. Found something that suggests that, if it is Swedish, the marking indicates 23rd Infantry regiment ( reference on bayonet markings www.holmback.se/bayonets/Notes-Common/swe_unit_markings.htm )....but that doesn't make sense for a cavalry sword and there was no 23rd Cavalry Regiment that I can find. I dropped a line to the guy who runs that website to see if he knows anything. Another bayonet source said of a similar number (The unit marking "27 RB No. 275" is an abbreviation for: Beväringsvapen Nummer 275, 27th Regementet (Weapon No. 275, 27th Infantry Regiment).) BTW...the Swedish Army museum has sword number 6 from the same damned regiment in its museum....https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024416476/pallasch-m-1808
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Post by dah on Feb 25, 2024 18:17:41 GMT
Thank you very much that's really good information, I can now refer back to the Swedish Army Museum contact.
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Post by madirish on Feb 26, 2024 0:30:52 GMT
The guy I wrote to said it was 23rd Infantry Regiment weapon 30. I asked him if that made sense with a cavalry sword...will see what he says.
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Post by madirish on Feb 26, 2024 14:25:55 GMT
Dah, Per Holmbaeck said: 23rd Infantry regiment = I23 Jämtlands fältjägarregemente (1820–1853, 1892–1927) located Östersund. He suggests that while thy were originally cavalry weapons, they were later issued to conscript infantry later in the century (the RB indicates conscripted servicemen from what he writes) He gives the example of the M1825 Cavalry Saber, which also was later issued to Infantry. holmback.se/edged_weapons/Kavalleri/m1825.html"The saber has been used by the Life Guard on horseback and Småland's hussar regiment.According to a letter from the year 1875, it appears that the infantry equipped two regiments with laid sabers of m/1825. These regiments, the Norra Skånska and Södra Skånska infantry regiments distributed 300 sabers each to conscripts.This is confirmed by the fact that the sabers were marked with fixed identities for the infantry.Below is a saber with scabbard m/1825 with the marking "25RB No 156", which means the 25th Infantry Regiment (Södra Skånska inf. reg.), conscript no. 156.There is also information that the saber was used by the Coast Guards."
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Post by dah on Feb 26, 2024 15:56:05 GMT
That really is excellent information and gives me a lot of information to follow up on. Thank you very much for the time and effort. I find it particularly interesting when I come across an item that enables some research.
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Post by madirish on Feb 26, 2024 16:55:37 GMT
I just got a chuckle out of the fact that the Army Museum just shrugged and said "I dunno" when they have the same thing in their collection, lol. I doubled up with my answer in Facebook just for edification of that group.
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Post by dah on Feb 26, 2024 18:51:59 GMT
Yes, that did come as a surprise, I'll have to come up with a witty response when I get back in touch with them.
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