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Post by samuraiguy on Feb 13, 2024 20:40:18 GMT
So hear me out, Jubei Yagyu, my all time favorite cinematic samurai, used Bugei length tsuka! Haha and not just in Yagyu conspiracy but in all movies and series with this character. So I wonder, was this director influenced or Mr. Shinichi Chiba’s personal preference? Thoughts from fans?
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Post by larason2 on Feb 14, 2024 2:31:42 GMT
As Bugei states on their website, long tuska were very popular at the end of the Edo period. It makes sense to me, you can spread your hands to strike harder, hold just the end to strike further, hold both hands close to the tsuba to have more control. Another advantage are they are more balanced for one hand use. That was the last time before the long meiji period they were practical weapons, swords during the wars generally had short western style tsukas and hand guards. Remember too that Japanese samurai were shorter than than most westerners, and shorter than the Japanese are today, so the extra long tsuka would have looked extra too long on them! But like everything it goes through styles. Swords that aren't really going to be used for their intended purpose don't really need a long tsuka, and you avoid problems like samegawa not being long enough!
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Post by maro on Feb 19, 2024 0:17:21 GMT
As Bugei states on their website, long tuska were very popular at the end of the Edo period. It makes sense to me, you can spread your hands to strike harder, hold just the end to strike further, hold both hands close to the tsuba to have more control. Another advantage are they are more balanced for one hand use. That was the last time before the long meiji period they were practical weapons, swords during the wars generally had short western style tsukas and hand guards. Remember too that Japanese samurai were shorter than than most westerners, and shorter than the Japanese are today, so the extra long tsuka would have looked extra too long on them! But like everything it goes through styles. Swords that aren't really going to be used for their intended purpose don't really need a long tsuka, and you avoid problems like samegawa not being long enough! Pardon? That's not how physics works
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Post by larason2 on Feb 19, 2024 0:25:53 GMT
Well, why don't you explain to me how physics works then.
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Post by AJGBlack on Feb 19, 2024 0:55:20 GMT
As Bugei states on their website, long tuska were very popular at the end of the Edo period. It makes sense to me, you can spread your hands to strike harder, hold just the end to strike further, hold both hands close to the tsuba to have more control. Another advantage are they are more balanced for one hand use. That was the last time before the long meiji period they were practical weapons, swords during the wars generally had short western style tsukas and hand guards. Remember too that Japanese samurai were shorter than than most westerners, and shorter than the Japanese are today, so the extra long tsuka would have looked extra too long on them! But like everything it goes through styles. Swords that aren't really going to be used for their intended purpose don't really need a long tsuka, and you avoid problems like samegawa not being long enough! Pardon? That's not how physics works Give me a lever large enough and I will move the world?
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Post by larason2 on Feb 19, 2024 1:19:56 GMT
Give me two levers and I'll stop moving your lever.
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Post by wildv on Feb 19, 2024 12:59:29 GMT
As Bugei states on their website, long tuska were very popular at the end of the Edo period. It makes sense to me, you can spread your hands to strike harder, hold just the end to strike further, hold both hands close to the tsuba to have more control. Another advantage are they are more balanced for one hand use. That was the last time before the long meiji period they were practical weapons, swords during the wars generally had short western style tsukas and hand guards. Remember too that Japanese samurai were shorter than than most westerners, and shorter than the Japanese are today, so the extra long tsuka would have looked extra too long on them! But like everything it goes through styles. Swords that aren't really going to be used for their intended purpose don't really need a long tsuka, and you avoid problems like samegawa not being long enough! Pardon? That's not how physics works I agree with you, I was very puzzled by this too? But I think larason means "by having your hands further apart, you can create more leverage against your opposite hand/direction, thus causing a faster -- more powerful strike." I could be mistaken, but I have trained a bit with James Williams sensei and this is always how we understood it.
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Post by larason2 on Feb 19, 2024 22:17:22 GMT
Yeah, what I was getting at is when you spread your hands, you now have a longer lever arm to the point of torque from both hands. This moves the point of torque further away from the tip, but still overall you'll get more torque (since the point of torque doesn't move that much, and you get two longer lever arms), so a faster swing and more force at the point of impact. So basically, what AJGBlack said!
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Post by Lord Cobol on Feb 20, 2024 4:13:56 GMT
Speaking of Chiba Shinichi / Yagyuu Jubei, did you all know that a lot of Yagyuu Conspiracies is on Youtube?
Seems to add episodes about once or twice a week, up to ep 20 now.
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Post by wildv on Feb 20, 2024 4:32:00 GMT
Video unavailable?
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Post by Lord Cobol on Feb 20, 2024 5:06:41 GMT
They play for me.... and with help from some 3rd party software I have them all downloaded. Is it some YT region restriction??
Way back when it broadcast I VCR-ed most of the series, and then copied them DVD-RW before I unplugged the VCR, but the last time I tried to play one of them my system couldn't read the disc. I was pretty grumpy then, but I'm happy now.
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Post by wildv on Feb 20, 2024 10:06:15 GMT
I'm not sure, there is no link to even connect too? Think it linked wrong. Can you just copy/paste the Youtube link? I'd like to watch
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 20, 2024 10:50:20 GMT
Embed works fine for me. You might need to use a VPN.
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Post by samuraiguy on Feb 20, 2024 12:48:18 GMT
Speaking of Chiba Shinichi / Yagyuu Jubei, did you all know that a lot of Yagyuu Conspiracies is on Youtube? Seems to add episodes about once or twice a week, up to ep 20 now. Very awesome!
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Post by Lord Cobol on Feb 20, 2024 18:03:45 GMT
Maybe just use a search function. Copy/paste a link is exactly what I did, and I expected to see the link instead of what came out.
The Youtube channel is "Ninja Vs Samurai" And he calls the episodes "Sonny Chiba in Shogun's Samurai"
Even though the series originally aired as "Yagyuu Conspiracy". Shogun's Samurai is the title of a similar but inferior Sonny Chiba movie.
FWIW I suspect this channel is "unofficial" and might get shut down. Better hurry if you are interested. Episode 3 is especially good, although it might help to see 1 & 2 first so you know what is going on. There's even a bit of history there -- Wikipedia has articles on a lot of the characters, including Tokugawa Tadanaga and Lady Kasuga.
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Post by wildv on Feb 21, 2024 1:51:10 GMT
Maybe just use a search function. Copy/paste a link is exactly what I did, and I expected to see the link instead of what came out. The Youtube channel is "Ninja Vs Samurai" And he calls the episodes "Sonny Chiba in Shogun's Samurai" Even though the series originally aired as "Yagyuu Conspiracy". Shogun's Samurai is the title of a similar but inferior Sonny Chiba movie. FWIW I suspect this channel is "unofficial" and might get shut down. Better hurry if you are interested. Episode 3 is especially good, although it might help to see 1 & 2 first so you know what is going on. There's even a bit of history there -- Wikipedia has articles on a lot of the characters, including Tokugawa Tadanaga and Lady Kasuga. Awesome, thank you! He has full movie there wow, this is great. I spent years hunting down half of these movies on DVD which was a feat of it's own and here they all are for free.
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Post by clarkgriswold on Feb 21, 2024 14:39:37 GMT
If you're looking for Samurai films on DVD, Samurai DVD is a good place to look: samuraidvd.com/
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Post by maro on Mar 16, 2024 1:32:28 GMT
Yeah, what I was getting at is when you spread your hands, you now have a longer lever arm to the point of torque from both hands. This moves the point of torque further away from the tip, but still overall you'll get more torque (since the point of torque doesn't move that much, and you get two longer lever arms), so a faster swing and more force at the point of impact. So basically, what AJGBlack said! Still not really how swords work - especially for curved ones. You're moving into "impact" over cutting territory by having one torque point (longer handle) rather than two seamless ones. James Williams is a good cutter but he also uses good cutting swords....
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Post by larason2 on Mar 16, 2024 1:51:08 GMT
I'm pretty sure torque is how physics works. I think you should defend your point with an explanation. Force equals mass x acceleration. You have to overcome the structural integrity of whatever you're cutting. A longer lever arm increases the force at the point of impact. If there's more force, there's more force to overcome the structural integrity of what you're cutting. I'm not sure what you mean by "cutting territory." If you're talking about tearing into the target by moving the edge of the blade and allowing the serrations to grind away at the target, as with traditional Japanese cutting, then yes, increased force at the point of impact doesn't make a difference to how the serrations cut. However, a slice doesn't just work by tearing. It's impacting the material as well. If you're cutting off someone's head, the bone isn't going to be cut just by tearing. You need to cleave through the bone as well with the force of the strike.
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