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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 17:45:24 GMT
I just viewed Cheness' Website and found 'Ayame'. It was very beautiful. It is 'Shobu Zukuri' ie. it has no kissaki. What are the differences between blades with and without kissaki. Shobu Zukuri blades can do better stabbing. Right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 13:04:51 GMT
i dont know the full details on shobu but i THINK that they are better for thrusting and slashing aroung the tip area, however they are more delicate.
i just got my first shobu the other day and im still in the process of testing.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 16, 2008 13:23:19 GMT
I'll tell you what I was taught about shobu... but with Japanese style swords there seems to be several schools of thought on everything, and tends to be no one right answer...
Shobu is a better design for cutting/slashing, since the whole length of the blade is cutting edge... Shinogi Zukuri ( at least those with real, geometric kissaki) tend to be better at thrusting, as the tip is reinforced geometrically by the transition to point geometry from edge geometry that the yokote demarcates...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 14:20:04 GMT
im writing a review on my shobu right now
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 18:20:28 GMT
I'll tell you what I was taught about shobu... but with Japanese style swords there seems to be several schools of thought on everything, and tends to be no one right answer... Shobu is a better design for cutting/slashing, since the whole length of the blade is cutting edge... Shinogi Zukuri ( at least those with real, geometric kissaki) tend to be better at thrusting, as the tip is reinforced geometrically by the transition to point geometry from edge geometry that the yokote demarcates... Marc Can you tell us more about the myth that shobu zukuri style was developed to defeat the Mongol leather armor ?.Was it suppose to use to slash through armor or thrust through the armor ? Did the mongol used bow and arrow so they would be too far away anyway?
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 16, 2008 18:58:03 GMT
I believe that shobu developed from the geometries of nagamaki and naginata... I have heard they did well against mongol armor... but wonder if that is just more misinformation. I would think that shobu would be most effective at tip cutting techiniques aimed at major blood vessels in the neck, armpits and groins, similar to Hyuho Ryu technique... perhaps their value against the armor stemmed from this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 7:35:20 GMT
I believe that shobu developed from the geometries of nagamaki and naginata... I have heard they did well against mongol armor... but wonder if that is just more misinformation. I would think that shobu would be most effective at tip cutting techiniques aimed at major blood vessels in the neck, armpits and groins, similar to Hyuho Ryu technique... perhaps their value against the armor stemmed from this. Thanks for clear that up .I think it make a lot of sense to aim at the neck because it is the part that you see at eye level and samuria was capable of such cut due to their repettive training (I read some where that some sword master would practice one thousand swing in the morning and anther thousand in the evening ) . Did Mongol really reach Japan , I thought the Kamikaze wind topple thier ship before they reached Japan ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 7:57:16 GMT
I just find this info about Mongolian invasion of Japan www.taots.co.uk/contents/view25/30/Could Japanese sword smith developed shobu Zukuri during this time frame ? The article mentioned that Japanese did not learn from the experience and did not copied the Mongol's superior weaponary but that did not preclude them from developed katana that was more effective against the Mongol .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 13:16:16 GMT
Did Mongol really reach Japan , I thought the Kamikaze wind topple thier ship before they reached Japan ? Yes, actually the mongols reached Japan twice in an attempt to invade. The first time they made it on shore and a battle ensued ending with the Mongols retreating back to the sea. The second time the Mongols returned they found a heavily fortified Japanese coastline. They spent many days looking for a spot of weakness but found none. Their ratios quickly depleted and the seas became to turbulent so they once again retreated and never returned. I am not sure if tsunami was part of that but it might have been.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 0:39:47 GMT
have yourself a gander
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