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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 2, 2024 22:33:41 GMT
This sword + scabbard combo has an interesting history, I'm told. It was offered by Albion as a prize for helping to design the Albion Europe website. Then the original owner (a Swede) traded it to me for another Albion a few years back. I added imitation 13th century English coins on both sides of the pommel (gold plated). I have only used it for display and occasional non-contact handling. Now I'm ready to let it go and want to test the trade market before selling. I'm looking for a typical high-medieval arming sword with a 30-32" blade, no more than 2.5 lbs. Probably an XII, but I would consider Xa, XIV, XVI. Most of my collection are bigger swords, but I'm getting older so I'm looking for something easy to handle. Examples would be a Solingen or Laird. It can be sword + scabbard or cash but I'm not interested in putting extra money into this, or anything lower-end. BTW, I live in Canada near Toronto. I've been shipping swords back and forth across the border for many years with no major problems. Thanks for looking, JDC . And the pictures:
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Post by toddstratton1 on Feb 2, 2024 22:44:17 GMT
Just a heads up if you want a lighter sword. I have owned the laird and caithness, If you can get your hands on the caithness It is noticeably lighter than both the knight and laird in the hand.
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Post by juliuscaesar on Feb 2, 2024 22:53:24 GMT
Just a heads up if you want a lighter sword. I have owned the laird and caithness, If you can get your hands on the caithness It is noticeably lighter than both the knight and laird in the hand. Interesting! I figured the pommel and guard would’ve made it roughly the same due to it being the exact same blade.
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 2, 2024 23:20:37 GMT
Just a heads up if you want a lighter sword. I have owned the laird and caithness, If you can get your hands on the caithness It is noticeably lighter than both the knight and laird in the hand. I know what you mean. I used to have a Caithness. Back then it was too light for my taste so I had A&A replace the XII blade with a bigger XIII. Still have that one.
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Post by toddstratton1 on Feb 2, 2024 23:44:46 GMT
Just a heads up if you want a lighter sword. I have owned the laird and caithness, If you can get your hands on the caithness It is noticeably lighter than both the knight and laird in the hand. I know what you mean. I used to have a Caithness. Back then it was too light for my taste so I had A&A replace the XII blade with a bigger XIII. Still have that one. I believe the caithness pommel is hollowed out as opposed to the Knight and laird. I don't have hard evidence of that beyond just how much more nimble it feels in comparison to the others, despite the pommel being larger than both. But to me the laird and Caithness feel like two completely different weight classes of sword. It was very noticable of a difference to me. I like both regardless though.
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Post by sdjohn on Feb 3, 2024 0:00:41 GMT
Have you thought about an Albion Oakeshott (Xa)? I have one and I think it’s light and really beautiful…not sure I’d want to part with mine, but might consider if you think it would fit your interests.
(No scabbard with mine, so I’d throw in some cash or maybe an additional trade item.)
Good luck!
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 3, 2024 0:49:54 GMT
Have you thought about an Albion Oakeshott (Xa)? I have one and I think it’s light and really beautiful…not sure I’d want to part with mine, but might consider if you think it would fit your interests. (No scabbard with mine, so I’d throw in some cash or maybe an additional trade item.) Good luck! Yes, the Oakeshott is interesting, or Chevalier with same blade. Never had those ones and many people say they're floaters. What happened is I've developed a pinched nerve in my upper back. I'm having physio, but need to swing something sharp!
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Post by sdjohn on Feb 3, 2024 1:11:51 GMT
Yeah, the Oakeshott is light and so beautiful with the deep hollow ground blade.
I’ll PM you a couple pics, proof of ownership, etc in a day or two for your consideration if you wish.
I also have a really nice Valiant Armoury Brighton arming sword and scabbard (Craftsman series) in antique green…talk about light and nimble! LMK if you might be interested…Skallagrim did a great YouTube review on the earlier outsourced version…I have no doubt any issues have been corrected with the Craftsman series.
Cheers!
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Post by LeMal on Feb 3, 2024 1:29:57 GMT
Have you thought about an Albion Oakeshott (Xa)? I have one and I think it’s light and really beautiful…not sure I’d want to part with mine, but might consider if you think it would fit your interests. (No scabbard with mine, so I’d throw in some cash or maybe an additional trade item.) Good luck! Yes, the Oakeshott is interesting, or Chevalier with same blade. Never had those ones and many people say they're floaters. What happened is I've developed a pinched nerve in my upper back. I'm having physio, but need to swing something sharp! If you're dead set on an Albion Next Gen, on that front you're not going to beat the Caithness.
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Post by AJGBlack on Feb 3, 2024 1:49:26 GMT
I know what you mean. I used to have a Caithness. Back then it was too light for my taste so I had A&A replace the XII blade with a bigger XIII. Still have that one. I believe the caithness pommel is hollowed out as opposed to the Knight and laird. I don't have hard evidence of that beyond just how much more nimble it feels in comparison to the others, despite the pommel being larger than both. But to me the laird and Caithness feel like two completely different weight classes of sword. It was very noticable of a difference to me. I like both regardless though. Not hollow. It's solid. I've held one not attached to a blade.
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 3, 2024 3:30:04 GMT
Yeah, the Oakeshott is light and so beautiful with the deep hollow ground blade. I’ll PM you a couple pics, proof of ownership, etc in a day or two for your consideration if you wish. I also have a really nice Valiant Armoury Brighton arming sword and scabbard (Craftsman series) in antique green…talk about light and nimble! LMK if you might be interested…Skallagrim did a great YouTube review on the earlier outsourced version…I have no doubt any issues have been corrected with the Craftsman series. Cheers! I'm interested in the Oakeshott. Similar dimensions to the swords I'm used to, but less mass. And historically correct.
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Post by sdjohn on Feb 3, 2024 6:22:28 GMT
I’ll PM some pics of the Oakeshott tomorrow for you to look over/consider.
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 3, 2024 15:07:27 GMT
Yes, the Oakeshott is interesting, or Chevalier with same blade. Never had those ones and many people say they're floaters. What happened is I've developed a pinched nerve in my upper back. I'm having physio, but need to swing something sharp! If you're dead set on an Albion Next Gen, on that front you're not going to beat the Caithness. I'm not set on an Albion, they're just more familiar and available. E.g., I'd love to get a Sulowski XII but there's not many around. I would prefer something I haven't had before. Past Albions I've owned were St. Maurice, Vigil, Templar, Caithness, another Sovereign, Squire, Knud, Ritter, Vinland, Gotland, Clontarf, Thegn, Jarl, Berskerker, and Huskarl. Right now I just have the Count, Tritonia, and this Sovereign. Most of my current collection are one-offs from A&A, Maciej, Sulowski, Helmes, McHugh, Miller, Pikula and some lower end blunts. I've been collecting for over 20 years. Guess I should show my collection here some time now that MyArmoury is...not what it used to be.
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Post by toddstratton1 on Feb 3, 2024 15:37:29 GMT
I have an art of sword making double fuller type XIV for sale. But I think that other person with the Oakshotte is more interested in your sword and ready to do the transaction. If for whatever reason you guys didn't want to follow through with that you could take a look at mine if you wanted as well. I would end up needing to sell the Sovereign myself if I did the trade anyways though. Saving money for some other things right now. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/71991/sword-double-fuller-type-arming
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 3, 2024 15:59:29 GMT
I have an art of sword making double fuller type XIV for sale. But I think that other person with the Oakshotte is more interested in your sword and ready to do the transaction. If for whatever reason you guys didn't want to follow through with that you could take a look at mine if you wanted as well. I would end up needing to sell the Sovereign myself if I did the trade anyways though. Saving money for some other things right now. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/71991/sword-double-fuller-type-arming Saw that - nice. Probably a bit heavy for my current purpose though. I was using another one of his swords for practice this last year till this nerve thing started up. Good luck with the sale.
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Post by sdjohn on Feb 3, 2024 16:43:43 GMT
Hi, meant to PM this but it seems I can't attach pics there (I'll get onto a hosting service soon...) As discussed, here are a couple pics plus the KOA sale listing (where I bought it) for my Albion Oakeshott. I'm not totally sure I'd want to part with it, but then I don't have a nice Type XIV yet... It's in great condition and everything seems really well executed to me...grind lines, symmetry, fittings, etc. Something to consider as you seek options... John
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 3, 2024 17:50:48 GMT
Cool, I sent a PM.
BTW, the XIV is quite fast and maneuverable but has a 'chunky' feel to it, I guess because the mass is more concentrated than a longer sword. Good for 'in close work' and tight spaces.
Unfortunately, those quick maneuvers are not good for my current back issue - abrupt stops pull the stabilizer muscles in the upper back, right where my nerve is pinching. Long, smooth arcs feel better.
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 3, 2024 19:38:58 GMT
FYI, I've got three potential offers now, so maybe hold off on more till I get a chance to consider those. I don't want to waste your time. I'll consider them in the order that they come.
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Post by LeMal on Feb 3, 2024 19:54:10 GMT
If you're dead set on an Albion Next Gen, on that front you're not going to beat the Caithness. I'm not set on an Albion, they're just more familiar and available. E.g., I'd love to get a Sulowski XII but there's not many around. I would prefer something I haven't had before. Past Albions I've owned were St. Maurice, Vigil, Templar, Caithness, another Sovereign, Squire, Knud, Ritter, Vinland, Gotland, Clontarf, Thegn, Jarl, Berskerker, and Huskarl. Right now I just have the Count, Tritonia, and this Sovereign. Most of my current collection are one-offs from A&A, Maciej, Sulowski, Helmes, McHugh, Miller, Pikula and some lower end blunts. I've been collecting for over 20 years. Guess I should show my collection here some time now that MyArmoury is...not what it used to be. Actually, my apologies! For some reason I realize I hadn't run the number on the Oakeshott, and it is a smidgen less. Probably the "lightest" of the Next Gens at that, but I'd have to either dig up some really old file or run them again to verify. :) (Not that it isn't, ahem, ridiculously easy to do, and an ongoing case among sword geekery of mountains out of molehills. There was an, er, rather contentious thread last year in which I was "disciplined" before I could mention that my little and very old "swingweight" method of [total weight/total length]*PoB was merely a slight adjustment to what George Turner's noted paper pointed out a little later is the simple algebraic method for tip inertia. I.e. [total weight/length}*PoB. Not that Turner himself mixed overcomplicating things at times, which is why I don't just jump to laud him either; but damn, it's not like anyone has to either use LeChevalier's "Weapons Dynamics Computer"--which still relies on a reference point if you want a MoI and might as well be tip inertia!--or go by fuzzy subjective impressions alone. :p )
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Post by jdcrawford on Feb 3, 2024 20:22:59 GMT
I hear you LeMal. In my 40s I loved finicky academic discussion about sword measures, handling properties, performance and typologies. Now I'm 60 and I just want to have fun with them.
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