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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 17:02:02 GMT
I know of a person that has a very old cavalry sabre that might appear to be prussian but no one seems to know. Im trying to help identify this sabre because identifying seems to be the largest problem right now. everything is metal with no leather or alteration in metal type but what makes this sabre unusual is that the blade tip is cropped or has a kind of half moon taken directly off the tip making it look something like a bowie knife at the end. the blade curve is not extreme, more of an arc, some suggestion that the tip was broken off and later ground down but not from what i see. I dont have a pic available but could draw it, scan it and send it on if that helps. thanks for any help you can send my way.
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Post by hotspur on Nov 12, 2008 19:51:56 GMT
Something like this site may have a gallery that will be helpful. www.oldswords.com/If you can mention some specifics as well, it could be of help to describe it. If you are meaning "everything is metal with no leather or alteration in metal type" does it mean to say the grip itself is entirely metal? I just want to mention that there are a pretty wide variety of swords with such a clip to the point, so getting specific will narrow down some factors. Blade length, form of the guard, any markings or symbols. Was there a scabbard with it? Prussian is not a bad guess, as it does appear on a few longer cavalry swords of the 19th century but they will be seen with a wrap of leather and often wire over that. Does the guard have kind of a thick sheet metal look to it instead of rounded bars for the knuckles? Cheers Hotspur; blade length, more about the grip and guard will help |
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Post by hotspur on Nov 15, 2008 2:30:54 GMT
I wanted to add this one here as an example. I am not entirely positive of the timeline but continental and something around 1830. Why I am not finding the 1852 types I was thinking of that have a flat sheet , metal branched guard, I'm not recalling exactly where from.  The trend shows up both earlier and later. I've a twentieth century saber with the little clipped point. We also see it on both the Dutch cutlass that mimics the Cold Steel cutlass, as well as a sabre length sword of the later 19th century which is quite like what Cold Steel sold some time ago as the Dutch sword. Not quite cavalry on a lot of them. This one posted above is listed as a mounted artillery sword. As mentioned, if you have some more trails or thoughts on size/shapes it may click with someone watching. Cheers Hotspur; the Starr contract sabres of the early 19th century are a wide straight clip point |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 3:08:28 GMT
are there any letters or other marks on the back of the blades spine? some sabres would have arsenal markings or a makers mark on the spine, or somewhere else, also if you can find any letters or symbols you may be able to narrow it down to a country, and that will make identifing it much easier.
good luck with it, if you can get a pic, post it, if not a drawing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2008 5:08:54 GMT
heres a drawing, its pretty close ![]()  [/img] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2008 5:11:48 GMT
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Post by hotspur on Nov 24, 2008 6:06:42 GMT
heres a drawing, its pretty close ![]() [/img][/quote] Some img problems there but here is the url (which would be just fine to link). One set of tags should do it. i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/genxie_bucket/mysterysabre.jpgI may rustle up another thread that comes to mind but some more specifics will help others help you. Total length of the sword, please. Also whether you are addressing the entire sword as metal, as in a metal grip. I'll try to find what I may interpret what you are posting but it's a bit of a mystery without better clues. It could have been cut down, as you mention. Cheers Hotspur; a bit like charades, without more to go on |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2008 19:14:15 GMT
I cannot be sure of the total length although I know what you mean about full standard lengths as apposed to modified blades, but when I did have access to it ( difficult now ) there appeared to be no shortening. I say that because I have seen many other blades that were say 33 inch or thereabouts as full length or original length and this sabre had that appearance. also the blood groove was very thin, running along the the top of blade and stopped just short of the tip in what appeared as an original stop point just before the tip of the blade went on that downward jut. the metal all the same means that the finish as I saw it appeared to be of all same metal type for the entire sabre, handle, gaurd, blade all a kind of dunn grey or worn grey like the blade material was universal and the same for the gaurd and the wire around handle etc. just by looking at it my first instinct was to say ' prussian ' I dont know why but there you go, my offerring for a guess. the clipped blade is very unusual and as I say looks original because of fine workmanship and ( seemingly ) long blade length.
the img copy and paste is becoming a real problem for me as it appears adobe has now a version 10 with big differences for the copy/paste issue. it doesnt seem to work for me, but I cant get a photo anyway, the link is up and thats done now. as far as I can go with image reference anyway.
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Post by hotspur on Nov 25, 2008 3:07:02 GMT
The metal handles are not at all unusual and some will be steel or iron instaed of the brass. The estimation of size is often tough to guage as well because the drawing you show looks a bit smaller than a 33" blade. Honestly, without the picture, it is a matter of scanning other resources and turning no stone unturned. It could be just about anything. The general shape you are drawing probably puts it to the early 19th century and shorter than you may think. As mentioned, the clipped blades come in a variety of shapes and lengths. Most likely naval or infantry but there are no assurances.
If I happen across it, I'll keep it in mind.
Cheers
Hotspur; the handles often mimic wire on leather and there are still a variety to consider
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