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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 11, 2023 15:28:29 GMT
My next sword design, Lancelot Sword's German Battle Sword "The Blue Baron", a collaboration project with KC being the artistic director. I tested it in combat ranking style, and thigh targets to make sure it's Lancelot Sharp certified. German Battle Sword lancelotsword.com/german-battle-sword
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Post by AJGBlack on Dec 11, 2023 20:11:40 GMT
My immediate impression is of a Han jian and katzbalger mashup. It's interesting to say the least. The tip reminds me of executioner swords with the lack of a pronounced point.
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Post by mrstabby on Dec 11, 2023 20:36:24 GMT
Seeing the slow-mo, it's probably too flexible for many.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 4:58:32 GMT
My immediate impression is of a Han jian and katzbalger mashup. It's interesting to say the least. The tip reminds me of executioner swords with the lack of a pronounced point. It does not handle like an executioner sword, though, as my write up in the website. "German Battle Sword, an Optimized fighting sword, is the first collaboration between Lancelot and the artistic director KC. After the emergence of Supreme-Cutter™ series, KC was awed by the unpreceded power of the sword. By KC's request to have an European style sword made with Lancelot's expertise, Lancelot designed a longsword that could cut thigh targets even near the tip, thus extending the threatening reach to the furthest. Many considerations were put into the design. As Lancelot once said to KC, the sword is not simple in the invisible things, like the metallurgy has to hold up to such crazy edge angle, the thickness has to be right in order to allow such broad blade to still be nimble, the acuteness of the geometry has to be right to facilitate supreme cutting power while still holding itself against living bone targets, and the handling characteristics has to be right to allow actual fighting to be done, unlike those overly heavy executioner swords. The guard was in a Germanic style that would not hit one's in the head like normal quillion would, and provide plenty protection to the knuckle and fingers. The pommel serves as a grip retainer to hold the sword in grip in case it slipped away due to moisture. Everything on the sword spell "combat" in the face."
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 4:59:25 GMT
Seeing the slow-mo, it's probably too flexible for many. I don't design swords for "many". I design swords for elite use, like those who can handle forumla 1 racing car, and a F22 raptor.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 5:06:54 GMT
Seeing the slow-mo, it's probably too flexible for many. Matt Easton talking about historical european swords: So it's historically correct.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 6:57:24 GMT
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Post by mrstabby on Dec 12, 2023 8:18:29 GMT
If you don't design for many, not many will buy it, that's all....
Also overly flexible means, it will be more likely to twist inside a hard target, which also can be seen in the slow mo.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 9:09:15 GMT
If you don't design for many, not many will buy it, that's all....
Also overly flexible means, it will be more likely to twist inside a hard target, which also can be seen in the slow mo.
I don't design for many to buy it. It's not even for sale, if you don't notice. Definitely not for you. I don't gauge my success or influence base on sales. I gauge on capabilities. Just like there are not more than a couple hundreds F22 out there, and there will be no more produced in the future. Does it belittle F22's dominance in aviation history? It doesn't. If you are looking for "mass produced swords made for many ppl who has no training / little training / not very well trained at all", look else where. ;)
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 9:10:06 GMT
If you don't design for many, not many will buy it, that's all....
Also overly flexible means, it will be more likely to twist inside a hard target, which also can be seen in the slow mo.
As for twisting inside a hard target, did you see how it goes through a thigh target like there's nothing there? Combat ranking patterns were meant to be super difficult to execute, and it went through 2.6 out of 3. None of your comment matters.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 9:27:25 GMT
How many swords below German Battle Sword were of a stiffer blade? You can count yourself. Did they do better? No. I think you're looking for swords that were meant for "many ppl", which if you pay attention, composed of the lower 1/3 of the chart. Go ahead. No one is stopping you to grab them.
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Post by mrstabby on Dec 12, 2023 9:37:47 GMT
Honestly, basing your "combat ranking" on cutting only is a bit lackluster. "None of your ranking matters" if we begin talking like this to each other. Sorry for commenting, I will now disregard your comments for the future, thank you for clarifying to me you only seek applause and not discourse.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 9:59:12 GMT
Honestly, basing your "combat ranking" on cutting only is a bit lackluster. "None of your ranking matters" if we begin talking like this to each other. Sorry for commenting, I will now disregard your comments for the future, thank you for clarifying to me you only seek applause and not discourse.
Please do. Just to clarify for the others, combat ranking is not only taking into account of cutting, but also agility and length. The patterns used to gauge were "turning short cuts combo from feints / defense", which are the most difficult cuts, more so than simple straightforward "short cuts". Each of them is combining every difficulty of a cut into a combat move, screwing the blade alignment and limiting the power output in every possible way. As for why I gauge cutting as important factor, it's because it is THE only way among the 3 wounders that can guarantee stopping power.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Dec 12, 2023 10:16:11 GMT
The famous Alexandria sword in museum, being flexed by hand (permitted by curator). It is the sword Albion Principe was based on. Longship Armoury Odin's Oar in action. So the point is, such flexible cutting oriented sword existed in the past, and such sword existed in the top tier nowadays.
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Post by metinemre on Dec 14, 2023 5:08:20 GMT
Seeing the slow-mo, it's probably too flexible for many. I don't design swords for "many". I design swords for elite use, like those who can handle forumla 1 racing car, and a F22 raptor. With all due respect Lancelot. I respect and enjoy your videos and input. That being said, nobody in this forum will or can fly a f22 Raptor or will even get close to driving or being able to handle a f1 car given the chance. F-22 never seen an actual dog fight in combat and F1 car can never be driven on a street. I think this comment was just wrong. Better to design for the many since most of us follow you here and would enjoy a product that we`d be happy to purchase. Let the high praise elite stuff go to Howard Clark, Rick Barrett, Lundemo and Gus at this point.
Cheers
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Post by glendon on Dec 15, 2023 16:37:20 GMT
I don't design swords for "many". I design swords for elite use, like those who can handle forumla 1 racing car, and a F22 raptor. With all due respect Lancelot. I respect and enjoy your videos and input. That being said, nobody in this forum will or can fly a f22 Raptor or will even get close to driving or being able to handle a f1 car given the chance. F-22 never seen an actual dog fight in combat and F1 car can never be driven on a street. I think this comment was just wrong. Better to design for the many since most of us follow you here and would enjoy a product that we`d be happy to purchase. Let the high praise elite stuff go to Howard Clark, Rick Barrett, Lundemo and Gus at this point.
Cheers
metinemre: My eyes and my aging reflexes won't let me be behind the controls of an F-22 or an F1, but I'd sure get a thrill out of watching either go screaming past. I think that analogy is valid, even though its rather arrogantly stated. I would never be "happy to purchase" an Albion; for me, they are foolishly expensive. But I certainly don't think that because I can't afford their other products they need to offer "Albion: The Peon". My skill (and my bank account) will never rate a Les Paul Studio, either, but I can appreciate the engineering and workmanship that go into that lovely, heavy feel and tone, and some guys do "drive it on the street". It was base and churlish to tell Lancelot, a master, that it would be "better" to tone down his skill and create a product for the masses; worse, you insulted him deeply by implying that the highest tier of craftsmanship is not open to him. Bad form, dude.
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Post by glendon on Dec 15, 2023 16:53:50 GMT
And of course, its equally bad form, or worse, for me to insult you by posting a reprimand publicly. I am most ironically guilty of being impolite. I apologize. May we all improve...
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Post by metinemre on Dec 15, 2023 23:35:18 GMT
And of course, its equally bad form, or worse, for me to insult you by posting a reprimand publicly. I am most ironically guilty of being impolite. I apologize. May we all improve... Glendon I didn't take any of your words as an insult or impolite. Actually your 2nd message shows that you are very polite. You are fine. Also I didn't insult Lancelot either. Insult is a very strong word. He may be a master cutter which we all see here and on youtube. I think you should read the whole from the beginning. His response to the only critic he received was unnecessarily aggressive for no reason. Also as much as he may be a master cutter, neither him nor KC are in the level of anything elite as in production yet. Comparing his products to a F22 Raptor or a F1 car was way off analogy. I worked for Ferrari. Now I work for BMW. No you can't drive a f1 car on the street, too low. It needs a race track. (Also not street legal anywhere on earth) Only Monaco is as good as a race track. Look what happened to Ferrari in Las Vegas race. Ground has to be perfect and even. Also my grandfather RIP was an airforce and a commercial airline pilot. Been around airplanes and very fast cars all my life. Own one too until I can't get in or out lol. I know how to appreciate those. He is neither a known bladesmith that forges swords nor a proven designer like the others I mentioned that will be in the "elite level". He just designed few things that KC has built? He may be in the future, I wish him the best but it still doesn't matter if he doesn't respond well to criticism. This is sword buyers guide forum. People don't sign up here to be bashed by manufacturers or vendors. Green nicknames are here to advertise and make money as professional account holders. "From us" Don't post if you aren't trying to advertise and sell to us. Simple. Telling the other guy my products and designs aren't for people like you means 99% of us, that read and write here. I'm sorry, when I look at Howard Clark, Lundemo or Fable blades I see elite, artistic sculpture like art. Neither the cutter blades he designed nor this German cutter doesn't look anything special in a comparison to real elite pieces. His Arrogance was very annoying. It reminded me off the comments of a Long Quan vendor who started attacking at the 1st negative critic. Critics make us better, shouldn't be responded in such hostility or arrogance. When you create something, others tell you that it is a masterpiece. When you say I created a masterpiece it's pure arrogance. Not there yet...
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jan 15, 2024 6:40:15 GMT
Supreme Cutter Compact, German Battle Sword and Supreme Cutter Classic in action in USA.
Many thanks to Phillip Martin for making this possible!
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Post by fayebarca on Jan 15, 2024 6:57:57 GMT
Got to see this and the Classic in person today. They’re bigger than I expected.
They cut very well, though.
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