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Post by seventh on Nov 28, 2023 1:36:48 GMT
These two blade brothers have zero discussion history focused upon them, There are senior forum members who own and have owned these two functionally twin swords, I believe there's even one for sale in the classifieds right now I ordered one, the complex geometry of a long fuller and hollow grind on a type 10 is very unique and special, though the aesthetics and historic mystery of what century such a blade might've been crafted(Oakeshott estimates two centuries before other scholars) have sold me, the very rarely spoken reputation this blade has is of a supremely good handler
footage or commentary on this sword appears almost nonexistent, but I have found this footage and believe the quality it speaks to undeniable Lots of Albions have great reputations and popularity in addition to the brand, how fascinating this sword has never been covered in depth but is only spoken of in glowing reviews
Should none of you gentlemen have reply to speak of the blade and analyze your experiences with it, I will be happy to write of it at great length when mine arrives in around two years time. From an unhandled layman outsiders perspective, the combination of a hollow grind and long deep fuller appear to give superior stiffness and handling without any expense to the devastating slashing power of more conventional Oakeshott type X blades.
If you have ever handled one, please, criticize my preconceived notions on it or praise the virtues of this sword It's a fascinating arming sword unlike any other, I am too young a forum member to dm the more prestigious collectors about this weapon, please reach out to them or link them here on my behalf that they might speak good or ill of this product
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Post by curiomansion on Nov 28, 2023 22:35:26 GMT
I ordered a Chevalier right before the price increase, so mine should be arriving in two years as well. Haha Happy waiting.
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Post by eastman on Nov 29, 2023 2:06:03 GMT
I also have a Chevalier arriving in about 2 years. I liked the looks and handling of the one in Albion's showroom, so it earned a spot on my "must buy" list.
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Post by curiomansion on Nov 29, 2023 6:57:27 GMT
Party in two years. I've actually not handled it or the Oakeshott. I picked it for its looks and the fact that another hollow ground X isn't readily available. In fact, Peter Lyon is the only smith I've seen regularly make one. eastman How did it handle?
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Post by takitam on Nov 29, 2023 12:10:52 GMT
Looks like we are going to have plenty of information available about this sword, sometime in the far future Chevalier is one of those swords that respond well to just wrist movements. It shouldn't feel as nimble based on just the blade length alone, yet it does. I only briefly handled it so I don't really have much more to say, but it will not disappoint handling wise, if you enjoy quick swords. I'm not sure how I feel about the grind, but it sure looks unique. Thicker than average, fuller with a narrow hollow grind, a distinct secondary bevel and all of that combined with a slender blade... I would not expect it to perform that well as a cutter, compared to thinner and wider convex grinds? The one I saw was quite thick behind the edge/secondary bevel, so this indeed doesn't promise a great cutting sword. It should be durable and cut ok. This may differ with each specific sword, as they are not exactly the same. Also, an interesting thing is how it flexes in the video linked in the op. If you go frame by frame, the cut at 0.48 and the second cut at 0.55 show a different flex than we usually see. One thing that puzzles me - does anyone know of any other historical examples of a sword with this type of blade? Hollow grind with a fuller on a narrow blade. Sometimes I wonder whether the original from the Wallace Collection is an authentic medieval sword?
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Post by madirish on Nov 29, 2023 14:13:52 GMT
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Post by takitam on Nov 29, 2023 15:07:24 GMT
I assumed we all know that. Maybe I should not have Edited my previous post to make it clear. But thanks for the picture. I had another look at it and it doesn't show a clear secondary bevel, like the Albion. I think it's impossible to make a zero hollow grind blade, even a straight edge razor has a secondary bevel, so it must be picture quality or angle. Or maybe the original was never sharpened? There was a thread on myarmoury, a long time ago where, IIRC P. Johnsson said that in his opinion it was a sword that could be used against maille without worry of damaging the edge and with a slightly bigger chance of hurting the opponent inside. So that's the best we have from someone who had examined the original. There is also a table comparing thickness of the original, Albion and some other sword made by one of the forumites here, but I can't remember whom. Might be interesting to the prospective new owners. edit. Found it on my pc. Credit to the original poster.
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Post by madirish on Nov 29, 2023 20:20:07 GMT
LOL. Apologies, I did not pay attention to who asked the question...just the question (that made me think the questioner did not know). When those couple Oakeshotts/Chevaliers came up for sale here, I was tempted as I'd been drooling over A459 in person back in September. BTW...if anyone wants to look at my crappy pictures of the Wallace Collection (instead of the online catalog)... photos.app.goo.gl/4b3D19KYNTYUJuN97
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Post by toddstratton1 on Nov 30, 2023 0:24:43 GMT
Both are extremely good swords, the Chevalier is noticeably lighter, both handle great. I have limited experience outside of dry handling one time at Socal Swordfight. Christian Short has a chev for sale on the classified right now I believe.
disregard that one is now sold. Just went back to check.
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Post by eastman on Nov 30, 2023 3:00:12 GMT
Party in two years. I've actually not handled it or the Oakeshott. I picked it for its looks and the fact that another hollow ground X isn't readily available. In fact, Peter Lyon is the only smith I've seen regularly make one. eastman How did it handle?
I can't give a lot of detail, based on a few minutes of handling several months ago. Main thing was after handling a room full of Albions, it was one of the 3 added to my "must buy" list.
Of course, the one I most fell in love with was the single most expensive sword Albion sells. I guess I know what I'm buying myself for my 60th birthday.
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Post by curiomansion on Nov 30, 2023 5:26:44 GMT
Looks like we are going to have plenty of information available about this sword, sometime in the far future Chevalier is one of those swords that respond well to just wrist movements. It shouldn't feel as nimble based on just the blade length alone, yet it does. I only briefly handled it so I don't really have much more to say, but it will not disappoint handling wise, if you enjoy quick swords. I'm not sure how I feel about the grind, but it sure looks unique. Thicker than average, fuller with a narrow hollow grind, a distinct secondary bevel and all of that combined with a slender blade... I would not expect it to perform that well as a cutter, compared to thinner and wider convex grinds? The one I saw was quite thick behind the edge/secondary bevel, so this indeed doesn't promise a great cutting sword. It should be durable and cut ok. This may differ with each specific sword, as they are not exactly the same. Also, an interesting thing is how it flexes in the video linked in the op. If you go frame by frame, the cut at 0.48 and the second cut at 0.55 show a different flex than we usually see. One thing that puzzles me - does anyone know of any other historical examples of a sword with this type of blade? Hollow grind with a fuller on a narrow blade. Sometimes I wonder whether the original from the Wallace Collection is an authentic medieval sword? I did buy it for looks! Ordered a loud red/blue leather grip, and I may get polish the sword to as shiny as I can get by hand when I arrives. If it's nimble that'll be great too! I typically go for sweeping, hard hitting single-handers so a good fencing balance would be welcome, especially on a pretty sword. Whether the original in the Wallace is authentic or not, the blade is clearly well made. I picked out this model because it looks like a Peter Lyon not because of any tie to anything historical. Note on cutting: Thick swords don't necessarily cut poorly, especially on harder targets. The thinner blades, in my experience, only really do much better on textiles. They'll cut deeper in to flesh and bone, but the wound channel a thick, stiff blade does to flesh and bone leaves quite an impression.
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Post by curiomansion on Nov 30, 2023 5:27:21 GMT
Party in two years. I've actually not handled it or the Oakeshott. I picked it for its looks and the fact that another hollow ground X isn't readily available. In fact, Peter Lyon is the only smith I've seen regularly make one. eastman How did it handle?
I can't give a lot of detail, based on a few minutes of handling several months ago. Main thing was after handling a room full of Albions, it was one of the 3 added to my "must buy" list.
Of course, the one I most fell in love with was the single most expensive sword Albion sells. I guess I know what I'm buying myself for my 60th birthday.
Did you get a Svante? Congrats on the big 6-0- coming up!
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Post by fester on Nov 30, 2023 18:13:53 GMT
There is a review of the Oakeschott under the sword review section in the locked archives/list on this site. Done in 2014. A pretty good review of this sword.
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Post by eastman on Dec 1, 2023 2:59:11 GMT
I can't give a lot of detail, based on a few minutes of handling several months ago. Main thing was after handling a room full of Albions, it was one of the 3 added to my "must buy" list.
Of course, the one I most fell in love with was the single most expensive sword Albion sells. I guess I know what I'm buying myself for my 60th birthday.
Did you get a Svante? Congrats on the big 6-0- coming up! Still have about 2.5 years to place the order and just under 5 to finish setting the $$ aside.
55th Birthday present was the Damian Sulowski XIIa named "The Loch Ness Monster"
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Post by skelley on Dec 1, 2023 4:39:40 GMT
I have a Chev in my collection and yeah, it's a surprisingly light and nimble sword. I got it for it's looks mostly as I expected it to be a little clunky since my understanding is that a longer blade like that was made with mounted combat in mind but it's a surprisingly agile sword. Feels fantastic on foot as far as I'm concerned. Also, the diamond wrap makes it feel very secured in my hands as well.
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Post by seventh on Dec 4, 2023 1:17:04 GMT
I have a Chev in my collection and yeah, it's a surprisingly light and nimble sword. I got it for it's looks mostly as I expected it to be a little clunky since my understanding is that a longer blade like that was made with mounted combat in mind but it's a surprisingly agile sword. Feels fantastic on foot as far as I'm concerned. Also, the diamond wrap makes it feel very secured in my hands as well. A long agile one hander was exactly what I had in mind! I'm long armed at 6'1", thus a touch of paranoia about sizing
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Post by seventh on Dec 4, 2023 2:04:05 GMT
Party in two years. I've actually not handled it or the Oakeshott. I picked it for its looks and the fact that another hollow ground X isn't readily available. In fact, Peter Lyon is the only smith I've seen regularly make one. eastman How did it handle? I recognize you, I was reading your Ljubljana review only an hour ago! I first ordered an Earl as a true do all sword, but then when the prices went up I got hit by the bug and ordered a Brescia on its reputation and an Oakeshott on careful consideration I'm very tempted by the six swords for a "free" one, but I'm all too aware that I'll only have to hands and only be using one sword at a time whatever I buy
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Post by curiomansion on Dec 4, 2023 14:49:44 GMT
Party in two years. I've actually not handled it or the Oakeshott. I picked it for its looks and the fact that another hollow ground X isn't readily available. In fact, Peter Lyon is the only smith I've seen regularly make one. eastman How did it handle? I recognize you, I was reading your Ljubljana review only an hour ago! I first ordered an Earl as a true do all sword, but then when the prices went up I got hit by the bug and ordered a Brescia on its reputation and an Oakeshott on careful consideration I'm very tempted by the six swords for a "free" one, but I'm all too aware that I'll only have to hands and only be using one sword at a time whatever I buy That's a lovely mix! Never handled a Brescia, but I'm sure it's wonderful. A looker too!
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Post by seventh on Dec 4, 2023 22:36:24 GMT
I recognize you, I was reading your Ljubljana review only an hour ago! I first ordered an Earl as a true do all sword, but then when the prices went up I got hit by the bug and ordered a Brescia on its reputation and an Oakeshott on careful consideration I'm very tempted by the six swords for a "free" one, but I'm all too aware that I'll only have to hands and only be using one sword at a time whatever I buy That's a lovely mix! Never handled a Brescia, but I'm sure it's wonderful. A looker too! I'll give full essay length answers to everyone once it arrives in two years(and others such as the Oakeshott too of course) Although I'm unlikely to have good feedback on the serious torture test parameters, I intend to use them all, but not to push their resilience to damage Since I've never owned a proper combat sword before, I'm a careful reader of veteran collectors, the best argument for not buying 10+ seems to be the hassle sharpening oiling and storing the lovely things! I had my eye on the Sempach/Landgraf already, but your comparison in the Ljubljana review raised their prestige in my eye, comparable performance at less than half the price is nothing to ignore. Lukas MG's testing is my primary reference for Albion's XVII blade sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/50344/review-albion-landgrafI'd say on paper the 3 lb weight flat on those type XVII's gives them an apparent edge- mainly over XVa options for armored thrusters. Of course, nothing at that pricepoint has any looks, style or prestige over the Ljubljana. Do you mind questions over private message?
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Post by seventh on Dec 4, 2023 22:48:52 GMT
Did you get a Svante? Congrats on the big 6-0- coming up! Still have about 2.5 years to place the order and just under 5 to finish setting the $$ aside.
55th Birthday present was the Damian Sulowski XIIa named "The Loch Ness Monster"
You'll have to indulge the rest of us when it arrives, Any more comments or memories about how the Svante or Chevalier handled in the showroom? They're art in motion after all, "history in your hand", beautiful on a wall yes, prettier inhand.
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