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Post by ragebot on Oct 24, 2023 15:44:17 GMT
Hope this is the right place to post this question. First off has anyone ever bought from a vendor TrueKatanadotcom. I found it using Google and don't recall seeing the name. I am also interested in comments about a ninja sword they call a Ninjato. I found this one made of T10 but they also have other options including 1045 and 1060. They also have lots of other sword types including not just katanas but many other styles of swords from Japan I was not aware of. In any case from what I have read on the internet the Ninjato is a real thing with a different design than what I will call more common curved swords from Japan. If anyone has used/bought a Ninjato (or other ninja type weapon) I would be interested in their experience/comments and the vendor they bought it from. www.truekatana.com/products/22769/handmade-chokuto-ninjato-sword-t10-carbon-steel-real-hamon
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 24, 2023 16:26:10 GMT
Hope this is the right place to post this question. First off has anyone ever bought from a vendor TrueKatanadotcom. I found it using Google and don't recall seeing the name. I am also interested in comments about a ninja sword they call a Ninjato. I found this one made of T10 but they also have other options including 1045 and 1060. They also have lots of other sword types including not just katanas but many other styles of swords from Japan I was not aware of. In any case from what I have read on the internet the Ninjato is a real thing with a different design than what I will call more common curved swords from Japan. If anyone has used/bought a Ninjato (or other ninja type weapon) I would be interested in their experience/comments and the vendor they bought it from. www.truekatana.com/products/22769/handmade-chokuto-ninjato-sword-t10-carbon-steel-real-hamonNothing accurate usually follows the words "I have read on the internet..." Ninjato: Historically, there is no physical evidence for the existence of this "katana-like short sword legendarily used by ninja" before the 20th century, though it is believed that the designs demonstrated by alleged replicas are based on the design of wakizashi or chokutō swords or the swords associated with ashigaru.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 24, 2023 16:30:52 GMT
This sword looks more like a chokuto than a mythical ninjato. I own such a blade with plain black fittings and it's nice, but sometimes I grip it wrong with the edge backwards because there's no curve, haha.
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Post by ragebot on Oct 24, 2023 16:38:50 GMT
Ninjato: Historically, there is no physical evidence for the existence of this "katana-like short sword legendarily used by ninja" before the 20th century, though it is believed that the designs demonstrated by alleged replicas are based on the design of wakizashi or chokutō swords or the swords associated with ashigaru. This is not the first time I have seen a post along the lines of ninjas basically being a 20th century invention. I have a couple of Wakizashis already and am happy with them as light cutters and props. I also have some LARP swords for use as props and training. I will look up chokuto and ashigaru and see what that turns up. Do you have any links to reputable vendors that sell that type of sword? On the other hand there are vids on Youtube and other internet sites where what I will term ninja style fighting are described. In any case I do think some of the what I will call ninja tricks have application to at least my main act of making moving pictures. As an example the Ninjato sageto string on the scabbard is very long and one ninja trick was to use it somewhat like a stock whip in the weak hand to entangle an opponent's sword blade and then attack with the actual Ninjato with the strong hand. To me it matters little if this is from the 20th century or has its roots in the distant past. In any case what I am looking for is a reputable vendor to get a couple of Ninjatos to use in what I will call light cutting and as props in moving pictures I create. Spoiler alert: moving pictures are not real.
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Post by ragebot on Oct 24, 2023 16:42:19 GMT
This sword looks more like a chokuto than a mythical ninjato. I own such a blade with plain black fittings and it's nice, but sometimes I grip it wrong with the edge backwards because there's no curve, haha. One of the vids I saw mentioned confusion when using a straight blade since you could grip it backwards. On the other hand the square solid tsuba was mentioned as having an advantage over the more conventional style tsuba in terms of a sold grip. Do you have a link to where you bought your chokuto or know of a reputable vendor that sells them.
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Post by mrstabby on Oct 24, 2023 17:00:23 GMT
Ninjato: Historically, there is no physical evidence for the existence of this "katana-like short sword legendarily used by ninja" before the 20th century, though it is believed that the designs demonstrated by alleged replicas are based on the design of wakizashi or chokutō swords or the swords associated with ashigaru. This is not the first time I have seen a post along the lines of ninjas basically being a 20th century invention. I have a couple of Wakizashis already and am happy with them as light cutters and props. I also have some LARP swords for use as props and training. I will look up chokuto and ashigaru and see what that turns up. Do you have any links to reputable vendors that sell that type of sword? On the other hand there are vids on Youtube and other internet sites where what I will term ninja style fighting are described. In any case I do think some of the what I will call ninja tricks have application to at least my main act of making moving pictures. As an example the Ninjato sageto string on the scabbard is very long and one ninja trick was to use it somewhat like a stock whip in the weak hand to entangle an opponent's sword blade and then attack with the actual Ninjato with the strong hand. To me it matters little if this is from the 20th century or has its roots in the distant past. In any case what I am looking for is a reputable vendor to get a couple of Ninjatos to use in what I will call light cutting and as props in moving pictures I create. Spoiler alert: moving pictures are not real.
The point they are making (I think) is it's more like fan fiction than a real martial art because nothing was written down. Just people around the 20th century thinking "What could they have done" and making up stories.
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Post by ragebot on Oct 24, 2023 17:13:14 GMT
The point they are making (I think) is it's more like fan fiction than a real martial art because nothing was written down. Just people around the 20th century thinking "What could they have done" and making up stories. Spoiler alert: moving pictures are not real.
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Post by mrstabby on Oct 24, 2023 17:32:36 GMT
The point they are making (I think) is it's more like fan fiction than a real martial art because nothing was written down. Just people around the 20th century thinking "What could they have done" and making up stories. Spoiler alert: moving pictures are not real. And neither is the Ninjatō. It's mostly mallninja stuff. There is a Hanwei Practical Ninjato, no idea though if it feels any good.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 24, 2023 19:09:41 GMT
This sword looks more like a chokuto than a mythical ninjato. I own such a blade with plain black fittings and it's nice, but sometimes I grip it wrong with the edge backwards because there's no curve, haha. One of the vids I saw mentioned confusion when using a straight blade since you could grip it backwards. On the other hand the square solid tsuba was mentioned as having an advantage over the more conventional style tsuba in terms of a sold grip. Do you have a link to where you bought your chokuto or know of a reputable vendor that sells them. I bought it from a German store, it was probably made in Longquan, China. I didn't want a ninjato but a chokuto, a straight katana, no square tsuba and normal katana proportions. I've seen this in a few tv series and started to want one.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 24, 2023 19:36:55 GMT
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Post by ragebot on Oct 24, 2023 20:05:30 GMT
Thanks for the link. As for the cost it is in the range of what I have paid for a decent wakizashi. I found this Youtube vid which is unique to me in it is the first I have seen someone doing actual cutting wearing a button up shirt, tie, and suspenders. This looks like what I am looking for but I would still like to see if there are other options. As for the vid you can skip the first seventeen minutes as it is mostly B-roll filler.
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Post by ragebot on Oct 24, 2023 20:09:04 GMT
And neither is the Ninjatō. It's mostly mallninja stuff. There is a Hanwei Practical Ninjato, no idea though if it feels any good. My old eyes are playing tricks on me. When I saw the word mallninja my first thought was someone had been smoking whacky tobacky.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 24, 2023 20:28:07 GMT
www.sword-buyers-guide.com/ninja-swords.htmlThe part about gripping the long ninjato handle remembers me of my Hanwei tactical wakizashi. Gripped at the guard it's a short sword, gripped at the other end it's an infantry saber.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 25, 2023 0:39:30 GMT
And neither is the Ninjatō. It's mostly mallninja stuff. There is a Hanwei Practical Ninjato, no idea though if it feels any good. My old eyes are playing tricks on me. When I saw the word mallninja my first thought was someone had been smoking whacky tobacky.
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Post by blairbob on Oct 26, 2023 4:03:14 GMT
1st sword, chokuto from Truekatana is definitely 100% mall ninja. I mean, unless you're in snow conditions, you wouldn't want a white sword standing out. Hanwei Practical ninja is just better mallninja stuff, especially if you're a fan of the ninja movies that got popular in the 60's and 70's (shinobi no mono, Sonny Chiba stuff). Also if you're a diehard Sho Kosugi fan out of the 80s with American Ninja. It'll cut and likely the sturdiest of the production ninja/shinobi gatana out there except maybe Cheness. Ignore the Steven Hayes Bujinkan ninja crud from the 80's. Dude was off the rails then (though wouldn't be surprised if coke rails were involved bc 80s. some ppl dont need drugs to be out of their semprini minds). The ninja museum in Iga has a bunch of weird ninja swords as do Hatsumi. scabbards with empty compartments, saw blades, etc Who the frack knows. Cheness used to have a Bujinkan Togakure ryu shinobi-gatana. Out of production. Long tsuka and saya, blade about 4-5" shorter than typical (23") www.chenessinc.com/9260oniyuri.htm There are iaito like this in Japan that Hatsumi used to sell apparently. roninkatana.com/dojo-pro-katana-model-22-ko-katana/ not exactly a Shinobi gatana but on the short side. Cold Steel has something like this: www.coldsteel.com/chisa-katana-warrior-series/www.ryansword.com/Tactical-Sword-Outdoor-Survival-Katana-1095-Steel-Functional-Strong-Blade--Ryan1109-p-732.html 20" blade so slightly longer than most production wakazashi but shorter than these ko/chisa gatana
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Post by markus313 on Oct 26, 2023 6:17:48 GMT
I like ninja swords. I used to own a few...
I also own these, my current favorites...
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 26, 2023 13:19:32 GMT
I actually like Ninja swords as well. Not historic, but still awesome for what they are. Interesting handling characteristics.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Oct 30, 2023 16:54:59 GMT
I mean...ninja are thing in so much as they are now a part of our global popular culture. Any resemblance between pop-culture ninja and any possibly historical shinobi is purely coincidental.
I'm not going to bag on anyone for liking ninja inspired stuff, anymore than I will do so for Jedi lovers, or the misguided folks who believe in honorable Bushido-bound samurai. Pop-culture has never held much truck with historicity, and why should it? Fiction is fiction for a reason, and who am I to yuck someone else's yum?
A ninja-to is a essentially a fantasy sword, and as we sword enthusiasts know there are a lot of junk fantasy swords, and few quality ones.
A big part of what I consider the social-contract of being an active member of our sword community is to help educate those looking for education, and to give fair warning to those we perceive to be taking unnecessary risks, both physically and/or financially.
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