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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 2:25:33 GMT
Hello all, I noticed in a recent MRL/Atlanta Cutlery I saw along with the 1860 Lt. Cav Sabres a new listing; a new repro or copy of the famed "Old Wristbreaker", the 1842 Heavy Cavalry Sabre. Don't let the name fool you. I have handled an original and they were not that bad and had breat balance and all. I would rather have one of them than the so called light cav sabre; excellent weight and blance and handling feel.
Anyway, do any of you have any experience with this new sabre at Atlanta Cutlery and if so, what do you think? Take care, Freebooter Alabama
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 3:30:33 GMT
Hey, 'booter, I just noticed the same thing the other night. I've had the latest ACC catalog for a couple weeks, but I just noticed the new sabers. There's actually 3 new ones: A dragoon saber that can be had marked with either United States Dragoons or Texas Dragoons, a Nashville Plow Works saber, and the "wrist breaker." They all look pretty decent, but the "wrist breaker" sounds the coolest. With a 9/32" blade thickness, it ought to have a bit more presence than the Windlass 1860s you and I currently have. Who knows, maybe Paul will get it into his mind somehow to send one out for a review? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 14:27:11 GMT
Hey Krieg, Good to hear from you. Yep, beings as I only live about 2 1/2 to 3 hrs from MRL/ACC and am off on Mondays and Tuesdays, I am seriously thinking of driving over there and checking them and some other stuff out. I like to handle thngs and eyeball them in person if possible before I think of ordering them or buying them outright.
Now some of y'all might be thinking, Dang, drive three hours and all that gas just to go look at and handle something? He must be nuts! But think about it, on my off days, I might knock around this tri country area for hours, burn all sorts of gass, just knocking around, windowshopping, visiting buddies, driving in the country, etc, etc.. So if I do that anyway, why not "knock" around on a straight drive to check out something I love?!?
Oh well, anyay, there are several things at MRL/ACC I want to check out. I also love that scimitar (they used to call it a Shamshir didn't they?), the "Horseman's helmet", etc, and would like to check them out as well.
Where did you say you lived Kriegschwert? It would be neat to drive over there with a fellow saberite or SBG associate! Ha, but none of y'all live near me I don't think. Later, Freebooter Central Alabama
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 21:23:24 GMT
Freebooter, I'm in Arizona, so I'm a fair drive from you. ;D I agree, though, it'd be cool to check out the MRL/ACC showroom with a couple of fellow forumites. Maybe someone who lives closer to your neck of the woods will reply and you can set something up. The "shamshir" from Cold Steel and the "scimitar" from MRL are very close to being the same sword (both made by Windlass), so that might be why you're thinking of "shamshir." Anyhow, please do check out the new sabers when you get down to MRL. I'm really itching to get a first hand look at the 1840 "wrist breaker" and the dragoons in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2008 0:14:30 GMT
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Post by hotspur on Nov 30, 2008 3:27:02 GMT
I would say that if folk want sharps ready done then Atlanta may be a best bet. It is truly unbfortunate that the quality of the 1833 dragoon has gone down the tubes. this is not the sword that was popping up at other sutlers and sites such as Legendary Arms. I can only suggest that folk look really carefully as new product comes through to them. The heavy cavalry heading is once again erroneous but if someone wants the sabre and likes it, where is the beef. The form shown is the lighter sabre that emulates the french 1822 officer sword. The hump grip and fewer winds of wire point to that. of course, there is a fair broad of combinations even in the time. The Nashville, well, what can I say. I have been linking the other sites for some years now and some are apparently just new to them at Atlanta. Again, if one wants a ready sharp, that may be the way to go. Good news and bad news. Most of what makes Weapon Edge is bound to be available sharp (if the threads are true). the bad news is that the quality (as with Windlass) is starting to take a dive on quality. Although, their last big American sabre looked prtty darn good. Many of the blade for others are simply the wrong blade type in terms of fullers. That will surely will make it easier for folk to spot fraudulent auction sellers but is going to be a real pity good blades are going to take a powder because of the straight blades and fullers terminating to soon. The Blucher/1796 and others are fine in looks but a lot of the straight blades are just sad looking now. So yes, do compare the Atlanta Cutlery pictures against old picture stocks at the various civil war sutlers. I did post f my College Hill which was more about finding the right size than the achronistic nature of it. Another last batch of good older swords can be fund through the Big Mick's Ebay store. he even had a lot of ten bare sabre blades for $100 stores.ebay.com/BIGMICK45-MILITARIA-AND-TREASURESI'm pretty sure he has some parts as well. what he does have is some of the better older reproductions and parts. you can also find some parts through the Dixie Guns site. Then, of course, are barrels of sound swords turning up without scabbards and often quite nice at the $300 point. Whay buy new when the antiques are out there? I fear that we often may want to expect great deals when there are usually some issues why. Just my twelve cents or so. Cheers Hotspur; how many days until xmas?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 17:53:31 GMT
I know this is old, but I thought it would be better than making a whole new thread. Has anyone handled one of these things? 9/32s sounds very tempting, much more like the handful of originals I've seen. I'm not interested in historical accuracy so much as historical handling. I know buying an original would be nice but not for the customizations I would probably have in store. This is the one I had in mind. www.atlantacutlery.com/p-1254-heavy-cavalry-saber.aspx
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Post by hotspur on Mar 10, 2009 0:02:27 GMT
Looks like fun. I like the new look to the AC website.
To an extent, accuracy is going to go hand in hand with handling. What I noticed about their earlier pictures about this version is that they have gone with what became the 1860 or light cavalry swords. This is not unlike the look of the Cold Steel offering.
If you have an original to compare to, the difference will be pretty evident. That the blade thickness spec is still a bit shy of history and will likely feel more nose heavy than an original. Again, there were going to be diffrences even amongst period swords but one period complaint was that the trial swords emulating the French mle1822 handled better than what ended up as contracted.
Aside from the grip (which I also dislike in my reproduction College Hill) It looks pretty good. A nice looking fuller. It is what Legendary arms was asking in price for similar swords, so the price probably means a better (satisfactory) overall buy than the sub $100 reproductions.
Cheers
Hotspur; I really do like the new website look
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 1:20:47 GMT
To an extent, accuracy is going to go hand in hand with handling. Exactly! It may handle well enough (and it looks good in the photos), but when compared to an original there will probably be a noticeable difference. I handled a Cold Steel 1796 LC saber and on its own it is a decent sword. Then I picked up my antique P1796 LC sword and the difference is night and day. These Windlass and Cold Steel swords may have distal taper, but still do not capture the geometry of an original.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 2:57:02 GMT
Thanks for the replies.
I'm sure y'all are right though it still seems a great improvement over similar offerings.
I was actually thinking of taking an inch or two off the end and maybe thinning the last third or so of the blade. Given how thick the base is supposed to be, I thought this might create a pretty good saber if historically inaccurate. The few real ones I've seen had some pretty extreme distal taper. Do you think this would work very well?
Someday I'll have to buy an original but for now I want something that I can sharpen up and use to wreck havoc on the water bottle population.
I had planned on getting one of Windless's 90 dollar ones as it looked like a great value but after holding an original I figured it really wouldn't do.
And again thanks for your thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 1:42:17 GMT
Hey Ncavin, I have bought fivbe of MRL's Civil War light cav sabres, including one of the Confederate ones. They are actually really nice and well made sabres and they are only like $98.00 bucks, or were when I bought them a couple of years ago. I have handled, went through the "Sabre Drill", spared with a Pell, etc, to the extent that there is a raw spot rubbed in the leather wrapping from my thumb and it is still just as tight and solid as when I first bought it. Check out my review of the sabres as compared to an original by H. Boker of Germany in the Sword /Reviews section. I have not been over to MRL to check out their new so alled Heavy Cav sabre, but I will sooner or later. FB
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