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Post by aaronazrizon on Sept 11, 2023 21:05:38 GMT
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Post by pgandy on Sept 11, 2023 23:05:37 GMT
It would be helpful to photograph any stampings such as the manufacturer’s markings. No doubt someone more knowledgeable will chime in, until then it appears to be a Spanish rapier known as a cup hilt rapier. They are commonly associated with the Spanish, but not necessarily restricted to Spain. Dimensions would also help. The scabbard appears to be a replacement.
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Post by aaronazrizon on Sept 12, 2023 12:54:20 GMT
These are the only identifying marks I found on it ibb.co/wg30DMdibb.co/JHdB7FqAs for dimensions, the entire piece from pommel to tip is 46in. Measuring blade only is 37 in and 3/4. The width of the blade is 1 in. The length of the guard bar is 15 in and the cup is 6 and 1/2 The handle from Palmer to hilt is 4 in Hope that's enough measurements. If you need any more just let me know. I also owned a micrometer if you need to know blade thickness.
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Post by larason2 on Sept 12, 2023 16:15:19 GMT
Could also be an Italian cup hilted rapier. Looks to me like this one was intended for fencing. When it comes from it's hard to say though, they started using these in the 17th century, even until today, and there's a wide range of qualities and styles. The markings, the style, and the condition of the blade make me think more recent, say late 1800's to early 1900's?
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Post by aaronazrizon on Sept 12, 2023 16:50:02 GMT
The scabbard appears to be a replacement. I believe the scabbard has been worn down, It fit perfectly when I found it, I believe some of the wood inside has worn down a little bit and come out not letting it seat all the way. But I could be wrong. They do have the same bronze finish.
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Post by aaronazrizon on Sept 12, 2023 17:02:36 GMT
Could also be an Italian cup hilted rapier. Looks to me like this one was intended for fencing. When it comes from it's hard to say though, they started using these in the 17th century, even until today, and there's a wide range of qualities and styles. The markings, the style, and the condition of the blade make me think more recent, say late 1800's to early 1900's? I believe you're right I've found similar styles through a Google image search, I'll link them below. www.outfit4events.com/eur/product/11421-spanish-tizona-sword-brass-finish/www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/old-spanish-sword-cup-hilt-rapierI don't know if this will help with identification, but I've also noticed that the scabbard stitching is uneven. Is that indicating that it was done by hand? ibb.co/WtsGTJn
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