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Post by ikiosho on Sept 8, 2023 16:09:08 GMT
Hi team, glad to be on board.
I love spears and pole arms, particularly ones good at both cutting and thrusting. Things like a partizan, glaive, guandao, swordstaff... you get it.
There's not a mass market for the kind of thing I am looking for, so wanted to gather opinions on my options. Ultimately my budget is certainly under 500 USD, and this would ultimately be for backyard bottle cutting or perhaps the skunk that refuses to leave the yard... Ideally the length would be 5-8 feet.
First I wanted to ask regarding the construction type. I see relatively many spears online with a multiple piece threaded construction. I understand that'a not ideal, but does anyone have experience with how sturdy these are?
There are also some out there that have a "full length tang" with scales along the "haft". This seems like it would be heavy but stronger. Is that necessary compared to a head that you mount?
I understand it's not difficult to mount your own heads to a haft, so I may try it. Does anyone have a good cutting/hewing head to recommend? Or purhaps a bare sword blade I could mount?
Open to any more suggestions. Thanks in advance.
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Post by ikiosho on Sept 8, 2023 16:17:28 GMT
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 8, 2023 16:23:45 GMT
In a perfect world, it sounds like you want a glaive or halberd. But if you just want a hewing spear, I'd get a cold steel boar spear. They are pretty tough, not horribly expensive. It really depends how much you are gonna use it. If it's just one skunk, its cheaper to call an exterminator
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 8, 2023 17:00:45 GMT
Ah....what about a bill hook?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 8, 2023 17:02:16 GMT
Hi and welcome to the forum! Just be careful with the weight. I bought two different long hewing spearheads from Windlass which are verytable short swords for their own. Mounted on shafts they became relative heavy and unhandy. Even a hewing spear shouldn't have a spearhead too big. My Cold Steel Bushman knives make better spears.
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Post by pellius on Sept 8, 2023 17:09:57 GMT
For a cutting and thrusting pole arm, maybe also consider a naginata. I have no experience or training with them, but I always thought they were an interesting concept.
Also, welcome to the forum
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Post by Rain on Sept 8, 2023 17:47:26 GMT
Hello. Yes I think a Cold Steel Bushman knife or Cold Steel Assegai spear head paired up with a seven or eight foot white wax wood pole would make a nice fighting Spear or Glaive. I would love to purchase a Glaive or Spear from Lonely Wolf Forge! Good fortune with your quest!
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Post by cptnvimes on Sept 8, 2023 17:48:01 GMT
The LK Chen Twin Peaks Liao Dao would make an awesome glaive if hafted to a longer pole. Long beefy tang to support use as a pole arm. Might end up on the heavier side of things though.
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 8, 2023 18:08:51 GMT
The LK Chen Twin Peaks Liao Dao would make an awesome glaive if hafted to a longer pole. Long beefy tang to support use as a pole arm. Might end up on the heavier side of things though. Look up LK Chens Han Sha.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Sept 8, 2023 18:53:59 GMT
If you are interested in using this weapon for cutting I would stay away from the items you linked. The stuff from Etsy looks like for-display-only level of quality, and any polearm you intend to cut with should never have a haft that can be screwed together (the connection points will inevitably fail and then you might have a helicopter-of-death situation). FYI, the Hanwei yari does have sharpened edges, but the cross-section of its blade is not conducive for cutting in a capacity other than push and/or draw cuts. Also, the haft it comes with is pretty, but not sturdy enough for hard use. I remounted mine on an ash haft. All of the LK Chen polearms are of high quality, and the Han Ji (which comes in two different blade lengths) can be purchased and shipped without a haft (and you can pick up a quality polearm haft from Kult of Athena, or Purpleheart Armoury cheaply in the US) for around $300 USD including shipping.
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Post by ikiosho on Sept 8, 2023 19:41:49 GMT
Thanks all for the warm welcome and the recommendations! Cold Steel definitely has my eye for this budget, esp if they hold up to use. Though many of their budget items seem to be shaped by stamping, which I am wary of. If you are interested in using this weapon for cutting I would stay away from the items you linked. The stuff from Etsy looks like for-display-only level of quality, and any polearm you intend to cut with should never have a haft that can be screwed together (the connection points will inevitably fail and then you might have a helicopter-of-death situation). FYI, the Hanwei yari does have sharpened edges, but the cross-section of its blade is not conducive for cutting in a capacity other than push and/or draw cuts. Also, the haft it comes with is pretty, but not sturdy enough for hard use. I remounted mine on an ash haft. All of the LK Chen polearms are of high quality, and the Han Ji (which comes in two different blade lengths) can be purchased and shipped without a haft (and you can pick up a quality polearm haft from Kult of Athena, or Purpleheart Armoury cheaply in the US) for around $300 USD including shipping. Is there something about the tang constructed Etsy item that gives you pause? I find it very appealing, only wish it were longer.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 8, 2023 19:56:40 GMT
I do not recommend a poll arm for skunk killing. Especially “Ideally the length would be 5-8 feet” as you stated. Assuming it’s a spear at 8’ and used as a thrust to achieve the maximum reach you can expect is 10’, based on my 8’ reach with a 6’ spear. Now reduce that by ≈½’ for penetration that would leave you 9½’ feet. With a cut you will need to be even closer. No estimation there as the spear head has not been determined. Judging from my CS Assegai that will add about 7” OAL to my 6’ spear over the present configuration making it ≈ 6½’. Remember, you lose some length due to penetration. Now, take the same spear with the CS Assegai head installed to cut; you’ll probably have to stand about a foot closer to get the leverage needed for the cut plus another ≈8” more for the sweet spot. A SKUNK SQUIRTS 10’. As for other poll weapons, I’d say the ones for a thrust, including a hewing spear, would be questionable except for a thrust as the animal will run before you complete your chop. And if you connect with anything the chances of the skunk squirting is excellent as it well may not be an instant kill. A firearm is the only way I’d go after one. My dad would drop one every time with a shot from his High Standard .22. The last one I killed was back in ’74. And that was with a .30-06 loaded with a 130 gr. HP. That was my ground hog load and it screamed. I’ve forgotten the velocity but was on the other side of 3,000 f/s, seems like 3,200. It was dead before hitting the ground.
Getting back to your questions. I would not use either of the spear you pictured. They’re overpriced and have a jointed haft. The people who bought weren’t overly impressed giving 3 stars.
Windlass makes a hewing spearhead that finds favour. For your intended use I’d recommend a Cold Steel Assegai spear head on a long haft. It’s not the best looking one but you won’t find one that will penetrate nor cut better. The CS Boar Spear is something to consider, but you’ll find the Assegai easier to handle, cheaper, and will get the job done. I can slice plastic bottles all day with mine and the point is wicked. You might consider a yari. It’ll cost more but give better pride of ownership. Sir Thorfinn’s suggestion of calling an exterminator is the best going. To try to kill a skunk with a pole weapon… Oh you might be able to trap or corner him, then try, but you’ll be sorry.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Sept 8, 2023 20:18:24 GMT
Thanks all for the warm welcome and the recommendations! Cold Steel definitely has my eye for this budget, esp if they hold up to use. Though many of their budget items seem to be shaped by stamping, which I am wary of. If you are interested in using this weapon for cutting I would stay away from the items you linked. The stuff from Etsy looks like for-display-only level of quality, and any polearm you intend to cut with should never have a haft that can be screwed together (the connection points will inevitably fail and then you might have a helicopter-of-death situation). FYI, the Hanwei yari does have sharpened edges, but the cross-section of its blade is not conducive for cutting in a capacity other than push and/or draw cuts. Also, the haft it comes with is pretty, but not sturdy enough for hard use. I remounted mine on an ash haft. All of the LK Chen polearms are of high quality, and the Han Ji (which comes in two different blade lengths) can be purchased and shipped without a haft (and you can pick up a quality polearm haft from Kult of Athena, or Purpleheart Armoury cheaply in the US) for around $300 USD including shipping. Is there something about the tang constructed Etsy item that gives you pause? I find it very appealing, only wish it were longer. There is no tang shown or photos making it clear how those two Etsy "spears" are constructed. One of them has a metal tube for a haft, with a threaded connection to the other half of the spear. That is screw-on connection point will fail at some point, and possibly catastrophically if you are applying significant torque to that join. It could fly apart and injure someone. The other one could possibly be full tang, but again the photos don't really focus at all on how it's constructed. There are a lot of red flags with regards to these items based on the written description and lack of specific details. There is no weight listed. The type of steel used isn't listed. There are a lot of rough looking grind lines on the blade if you zoom in. The "guard" looks like stainless steel, and is poorly fit to the blade (zooming in helps to see this as well). If it were me, I would also be afraid that what I receive isn't going to look close to what you think you are buying based on the photos. I don't know anything about the seller (HimalayaForgedKnife), but I think there probably a good chance you will be unsatisfied with what you end up getting for your money.
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Post by perignum on Sept 9, 2023 8:23:26 GMT
I have the Windlass ‘Viking’ large spear. I imagine it’s the same as the one Andi has. I mounted it on a six foot shaft that brings the total length to well over 7 feet. I don’t find it at all cumbersome or unwieldy but your mileage may vary.
I don’t know about killing stuff but it’ll cut pool noodles very well and it looks cool.
Didn’t The Levin Lance use one of these to make a super cool cutting spear for his ‘Lodge’ project?
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Post by ikiosho on Sept 9, 2023 18:54:22 GMT
Mostly a joke about the skunk but I appreciate the warnings. After this thread and reading some others I'm thinking to go with the Windlass Long Hewing Spear Head and constructing my own implement. I hadn't known about waxwood until perusing these forums, so this has been great. The Hanwei "war spear" looks awesome but I've read bad things about how the Hanwei spearheads are cast and poorly made for any sharpening. Shame considering their other items seem to be well received. Edit: I love recommendations though! Please continue sending them my way.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 9, 2023 19:19:23 GMT
I own the long hewing spearhead and the smaller viking spearhead. They are short swords mounted on ash shafts. Not unwieldy but also not much fun to handle. I think one must be stronger than me (I'm no strongman but I can handle a Windlass Atlantean) or have a good technique with spear using (some things I've seen in Chinese sword movies make sense now). I'm thinking about shorting the 6 ft. shafts to get Zulu short spears, like long handled swords, that could be a good idea.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 9, 2023 20:27:06 GMT
I have spears using rattan and wax wood both. Both have a single taper that aids in their handling. The rattan is on top and is flexible making it harder for the eye to following with a small Chinese spearhead, and is definitely the faster of the two. The bottom has a wax wood haft. It’s heavier and is the more powerful of the two. The head is a Windlass javelin head. Rattan especially comes in various forms of stiffness and I believe the wax wood also. Both handle very well. So, insure what you order, if you go that route, is of the desired stiffness.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Sept 11, 2023 14:04:06 GMT
Mostly a joke about the skunk but I appreciate the warnings. After this thread and reading some others I'm thinking to go with the Windlass Long Hewing Spear Head and constructing my own implement. I hadn't known about waxwood until perusing these forums, so this has been great. The Hanwei "war spear" looks awesome but I've read bad things about how the Hanwei spearheads are cast and poorly made for any sharpening. Shame considering their other items seem to be well received. Edit: I love recommendations though! Please continue sending them my way. Cast and unhardened spear heads aren't necessarily anachronistic or problematic, though a spear-like polearm with edges intended for cutting would certainly benefit from hardening. Many, if not all, of the spear(head)s used in the Arms & Armor spears are cast and unhardened (though they may have recently started offering edge hardening for spears, like they did with their axes), and their quality has generally been regarded as quite high. You can't reliably make generalizations concerning all of Hanwei's spear offerings. For instance, the yari I purchased from them very clearly has a genuine hamon where it was put through a hardening process (though as I previously stated, it's cross-section makes it unsuitable for cutting motions outside of the push/pull variety). Have you considered picking up a Windlass hewing spear when they are on sale (it comes dull unless you pay for a sharpening service), mounting it yourself to a decent wooden haft (Kult of Athena sells ash poles of varying size), and "playing" around with it to get a better idea of what you would even want in a more expensive purchase? I don't know how much, if any, experience you have cutting with a polearm, but you should be able to put together a hewing spear on the cheap (especially since Windlass spearheads go on sale pretty regularly at Museum Replicas and/or Kult of Athena). Once you have an inexpensive hewing spear in hand, you'll be able to figure out whether a more expensive cutting polearm is still something you want. It's the sort of thing I did, and doing so convinced me that I absolutely loved polearms of just about every stripe, and since then I've purchased several higher end polearms, commissioned custom ones, and even made a few of my own.
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Post by LeMal on Sept 11, 2023 15:34:40 GMT
I'll echo the Windlass hewing spear suggestions. And in particular, trying it out on a short haft--my suggestion would be starting at what would make the whole thing longsword length--cutting actually gets harder, or at least more finicky, if the weapon's long.
And btw, what else I did with mine--if you're going shorter and like tangs--is just split a shaft in two and have a steel center "tang" run its length, sandwiched between the wood. I also added a buttspike, and the short "glaive" it made (~60 inches in total length) is one of my favorite weapons, maybe even my best bang for the buck. :)
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 11, 2023 16:57:16 GMT
Are the Windlass spearheads 1065 steel @50hrc like the swords or something else? Because the more I look at it the bigger my need for it gets.
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