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Post by toddstratton1 on Aug 22, 2023 1:15:35 GMT
Hey was making a post because I was curious people's opinions on the differences in sizes between Albions and scabbards that are made to fit individual swords. I've noticed recently that one of my scabbards will not fit another Albion of the same model as the one the scabbard was made for.
I wonder how common this is, or if it's just an uncommon occurrence i had this one time. I have some scabbard commissions id like done soon and I always assumed before that the scabbard maker could use the sword they have themselves to base the scabbard dimensions around.
But now with recent experience I feel like there is enough variation with Albions that scabbards won't necessarily fit another of the same model, if it is different than the sword the scabbard was built alongside with. Has anyone else tested this before or have experience with it?
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Post by eastman on Aug 22, 2023 2:19:24 GMT
If the scabbard maker just makes them very loose, then they will fit a wider variety of that model's swords. If you want a perfect fit, it needs to be made to fit your sword. The sword blades are machined to rough shape by CNC prior to the heat treat, but the final grind to shape is all done by hand after the HT.
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Post by madirish on Aug 22, 2023 14:00:32 GMT
Looking at some of the scabbard makers, including Tod Cutler, his expectation is that he can make a scabbard for any Albion he has (or has a pattern for). DBK says the same. Like Eastman said, I'd assume they make them a touch oversize to compensate for some differences. Might be worth reaching out to Brian Kunz to ask him.
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Post by tomtx on Aug 22, 2023 15:19:58 GMT
Hey was making a post because I was curious people's opinions on the differences in sizes between Albions and scabbards that are made to fit individual swords. I've noticed recently that one of my scabbards will not fit another Albion of the same model as the one the scabbard was made for. I wonder how common this is, or if it's just an uncommon occurrence i had this one time. I have some scabbard commissions id like done soon and I always assumed before that the scabbard maker could use the sword they have themselves to base the scabbard dimensions around. But now with recent experience I feel like there is enough variation with Albions that scabbards won't necessarily fit another of the same model, if it is different than the sword the scabbard was built alongside with. Has anyone else tested this before or have experience with it? My only experience with this is that I bought your former Earl scabbard (brown Tod's), for my Earl. How did it fit with your black grip one? Mine fits nicely, no movement at all after it's sheathed, but the sword will slide out if you tilt it past horizontal point-up. Good for a quick-draw I suppose :) But yeah, each Albion is ground and finished by hand so it's possible that some will be thicker than others...
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Post by toddstratton1 on Aug 22, 2023 15:27:09 GMT
Hey was making a post because I was curious people's opinions on the differences in sizes between Albions and scabbards that are made to fit individual swords. I've noticed recently that one of my scabbards will not fit another Albion of the same model as the one the scabbard was made for. I wonder how common this is, or if it's just an uncommon occurrence i had this one time. I have some scabbard commissions id like done soon and I always assumed before that the scabbard maker could use the sword they have themselves to base the scabbard dimensions around. But now with recent experience I feel like there is enough variation with Albions that scabbards won't necessarily fit another of the same model, if it is different than the sword the scabbard was built alongside with. Has anyone else tested this before or have experience with it? My only experience with this is that I bought your former Earl scabbard (brown Tod's), for my Earl. How did it fit with your black grip one? Mine fits nicely, no movement at all after it's sheathed, but the sword will slide out if you tilt it past horizontal point-up. Good for a quick-draw I suppose But yeah, each Albion is ground and finished by hand so it's possible that some will be thicker than others... From what I remember it fit but it wasn't super tight. Nor too loose. I have a Crecy with scabbard I have for sale on the forums though and although it's not an overly tight fit, the other Crecy I have cannot fit all the way down. I'll have to do some measuring comparisons to see if it's a width or thickness difference. My assumption from eyeballing it is width.
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Post by toddstratton1 on Aug 22, 2023 15:28:34 GMT
If the scabbard maker just makes them very loose, then they will fit a wider variety of that model's swords. If you want a perfect fit, it needs to be made to fit your sword. The sword blades are machined to rough shape by CNC prior to the heat treat, but the final grind to shape is all done by hand after the HT. That makes a lot of sense thanks, good info to know for future commissions
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Post by toddstratton1 on Aug 22, 2023 15:29:00 GMT
Looking at some of the scabbard makers, including Tod Cutler, his expectation is that he can make a scabbard for any Albion he has (or has a pattern for). DBK says the same. Like Eastman said, I'd assume they make them a touch oversize to compensate for some differences. Might be worth reaching out to Brian Kunz to ask him. Good information , I will ask them. Thanks!
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Post by Greg E on Aug 22, 2023 21:06:50 GMT
Also depends on how the scabbard is made. I have made mine from poplar planks with a blade channel made with a router. I have made them fit fairly form fitting. It is just bare wood against the blade. Those that use wool or sheep skin or a piece of leather inside the scabbard might be more forgiving. I am always reminded of the point made that the scabbard can tend to swell in moisture and the rain and a looser fit scabbard may be the more real world practicality. So if one of my scabbards would be stored in a very humid area, the sword could be trapped from swelling. Even though I make mine form fitting, I have been able to fit other swords into those made for a specific sword and those with the same shape blade not fit. So I certainly do think that the Albions are a bit more 'hand made/finished' than we may tend to think.
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Post by toddstratton1 on Aug 22, 2023 21:26:21 GMT
Also depends on how the scabbard is made. I have made mine from poplar planks with a blade channel made with a router. I have made them fit fairly form fitting. It is just bare wood against the blade. Those that use wool or sheep skin or a piece of leather inside the scabbard might be more forgiving. I am always reminded of the point made that the scabbard can tend to swell in moisture and the rain and a looser fit scabbard may be the more real world practicality. So if one of my scabbards would be stored in a very humid area, the sword could be trapped from swelling. Even though I make mine form fitting, I have been able to fit other swords into those made for a specific sword and those with the same shape blade not fit. So I certainly do think that the Albions are a bit more 'hand made/finished' than we may tend to think. I think Kane Shen said before about Albion hand grinding the swords after the Initial CNC milling. I can see how that aspect of it and final polishing can cause variations in blade size and etc. I'll post a picture example of the two sword examples I'm mentioning though a bit later. Just as an interesting comparison. I'll try and get full measurements of both
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Post by fayebarca on Aug 22, 2023 22:22:36 GMT
Hey was making a post because I was curious people's opinions on the differences in sizes between Albions and scabbards that are made to fit individual swords. I've noticed recently that one of my scabbards will not fit another Albion of the same model as the one the scabbard was made for. I wonder how common this is, or if it's just an uncommon occurrence i had this one time. I have some scabbard commissions id like done soon and I always assumed before that the scabbard maker could use the sword they have themselves to base the scabbard dimensions around. But now with recent experience I feel like there is enough variation with Albions that scabbards won't necessarily fit another of the same model, if it is different than the sword the scabbard was built alongside with. Has anyone else tested this before or have experience with it? My only experience with this is that I bought your former Earl scabbard (brown Tod's), for my Earl. How did it fit with your black grip one? Mine fits nicely, no movement at all after it's sheathed, but the sword will slide out if you tilt it past horizontal point-up. Good for a quick-draw I suppose But yeah, each Albion is ground and finished by hand so it's possible that some will be thicker than others... I owned Todd’s Earl before the scabbard went to you, and I can say it was pretty much the same. No lateral movement/rattle when sheathed, but the sword slid out when you tilted it.
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Post by toddstratton1 on Aug 22, 2023 22:58:46 GMT
My only experience with this is that I bought your former Earl scabbard (brown Tod's), for my Earl. How did it fit with your black grip one? Mine fits nicely, no movement at all after it's sheathed, but the sword will slide out if you tilt it past horizontal point-up. Good for a quick-draw I suppose But yeah, each Albion is ground and finished by hand so it's possible that some will be thicker than others... I owned Todd’s Earl before the scabbard went to you, and I can say it was pretty much the same. No lateral movement/rattle when sheathed, but the sword slid out when you tilted it. that is how that sharp sword ended up slicing the semprini out of my thumb lol. But dont worry I sterilized the sword after
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Post by tomtx on Aug 22, 2023 23:38:11 GMT
I owned Todd’s Earl before the scabbard went to you, and I can say it was pretty much the same. No lateral movement/rattle when sheathed, but the sword slid out when you tilted it. that is how that sharp sword ended up slicing the semprini out of my thumb lol. But dont worry I sterilized the sword after
Yikes!! Thumbslayer....
One thing I noticed about this scabbard: it has a small strip of leather glued inside near the mouth, perpendicular to the blade, on only one side. This little strip of leather acts as a shim to make the sword fit as it does once it is fully sheathed. But without it, the sword would be quite loose in there. And maybe it would fit more snugly with another piece of leather on the other side? Anyway it just got me thinking that maybe some of these scabbards could be adjusted like that (by adding or removing shims) if you are having a problem with too loose or too tight a fit.
Unless it is an issue with the actual profile (width) of the blade being too big to fit in the scabbard.
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