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Post by davidj on Jul 11, 2023 20:53:06 GMT
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Post by pgandy on Jul 11, 2023 22:25:41 GMT
Photos would help.
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Post by davidj on Jul 11, 2023 23:18:48 GMT
Oh darn, then when I get the saber I’ll take some pictures of it I thought you can see the pictures through the link
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Post by larason2 on Jul 12, 2023 2:02:33 GMT
I somehow managed to see the photos of the auction. Looks authentic to me, and the price is probably reasonable given the shape it's in. I wouldn't try to clean the rust off myself, would probably just oil/renwax it thoroughly and display it, or find someone who can professionally restore it.
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Post by davidj on Jul 12, 2023 2:32:49 GMT
I somehow managed to see the photos of the auction. Looks authentic to me, and the price is probably reasonable given the shape it's in. I wouldn't try to clean the rust off myself, would probably just oil/renwax it thoroughly and display it, or find someone who can professionally restore it. Thank you, the scabbard was confusing me because of the rust on one side and the other side completely fine
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Post by davidj on Jul 12, 2023 6:39:33 GMT
Larason, by chance do you know where I could have it restored? Restoration for it sounds interesting
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Post by larason2 on Jul 13, 2023 17:58:02 GMT
I'm not sure, but perhaps others on the forum would know. Access to restoration for Japanese swords exists, but the people who do it are very busy. There are also some museums who provide advice on how to go about it. For instance, there is the thread on EDTA gels where modern techniques for rust removal have been discussed. There are some sword companies and smiths who take on restoration projects, you can try contacting one of them (a lot of them advertise on the "Marketplace" area of this forum).
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Post by pgandy on Jul 13, 2023 20:04:18 GMT
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Post by davidj on Jul 15, 2023 4:25:40 GMT
hey, what are your thoughts on polishing antique sabers? I might polish my Argentine saber for a very special occasion. but what if i were to polish my new M1860 saber? would I be ruining anything?
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Post by pgandy on Jul 15, 2023 12:41:15 GMT
There are a lot of ‘if and buts’ there, but my general thought is not a good idea.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 15, 2023 12:57:11 GMT
You'll ruin the historical patina and most of the worth as an antique sword. But you'd get a nice shiny saber. For really rare or unique antique models I'd say don't do it, but it looks like there are so many M1860s on the market that you can just do what you want.
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Post by madirish on Jul 15, 2023 15:56:51 GMT
It'd take a lot of work to make that sword really "shine" especially with the pitting...does not seem worth the effort and the destruction of desirable patina to me.
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Post by davidj on Jul 16, 2023 4:10:32 GMT
Thank you all, I just read a review for the flitz polish and someone said that it works well with antiques removing rust and keeping the patina on the sword Is this true?
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Post by mrbadexample on Jul 16, 2023 11:57:42 GMT
From my experience, no. Flitz will mess with the nice, gray patina on an older blade. A little bit of 3 in 1 oil with extra fine steel wool would be safer for removing the active rust I see on the scabbard in the photos. If there is rust in those pits on the blade (hard to tell the full condition from the photos) you can also try touching some wet aluminum foil to those spots. It acts like a magnet/eraser for active rust, but be careful where you touch. It can also alter a gray patina some, but it’ll do no harm if you stick to the pitted spots.
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Post by pgandy on Jul 16, 2023 13:59:51 GMT
A standard active rust removal for me, and has been for decades, is a light oil, preferably WD-40, and #000 steel wool, very much as mrbadexample suggests. I have used wet aluminium foil once and it worked well.
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Post by davidj on Jul 30, 2023 6:22:03 GMT
Hello, what is your guy’s opinions about the windlass and universal M1833 dragoon sabers? I’ve read that they are lousy reproduction swords i have not seen any reviews about the m1833 made by windlass or universal at all
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Post by pgandy on Jul 30, 2023 14:38:41 GMT
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Post by tweet on Jul 30, 2023 16:22:03 GMT
Hello, what is your guy’s opinions about the windlass and universal M1833 dragoon sabers? I’ve read that they are lousy reproduction swords i have not seen any reviews about the m1833 made by windlass or universal at all It kind of boils down to what your expectations are. I would avoid the 1833 reproductions. While the originals are attractive, these are a thrust-centric blade and not the best cutter, if that is a factor. I think Dave Kelly had a thought or two about disappointment. Search this board with 1833. The Germans hung onto the pipeback/quill point as late as any but the U.S. quickly ramped up the French designs in the 1840s. There are sound 1833 swords out there in the $1500 range that are 100% but not something to spend weekends banging about with. Top of the line, near as new, in the $3,000 -> usd range.
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Post by davidj on Jul 31, 2023 1:17:30 GMT
Hello, what is your guy’s opinions about the windlass and universal M1833 dragoon sabers? I’ve read that they are lousy reproduction swords i have not seen any reviews about the m1833 made by windlass or universal at all It kind of boils down to what your expectations are. I would avoid the 1833 reproductions. While the originals are attractive, these are a thrust-centric blade and not the best cutter, if that is a factor. I think Dave Kelly had a thought or two about disappointment. Search this board with 1833. The Germans hung onto the pipeback/quill point as late as any but the U.S. quickly ramped up the French designs in the 1840s. There are sound 1833 swords out there in the $1500 range that are 100% but not something to spend weekends banging about with. Top of the line, near as new, in the $3,000 -> usd range. Oh thank you, I thought at least the M1833 repros would at least be a good cutter, I can see why the M1840 replaced it
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Post by davidj on Jul 31, 2023 6:25:48 GMT
I was just wondering if it was worth picking up in the future but thank you for that info. I don’t really know why the US picked it as it’s first saber in the first place if the British even complained about it when before the US even issued it which is an interestin
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