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Post by bjoker on Jun 22, 2023 23:54:54 GMT
Hi everyone, this sword was offered to me and I would really like an opinion from the experts in the sector. Both KRANTZ and BICK poinçons are present even if badly imprinted. How does it look to you?
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Post by bas on Jun 23, 2023 0:45:20 GMT
I've seen this one get posted a number of times, and in one of the recent ones, the seller was asked how to explain the presence of a trooper blade on an officer's hilt. Personally, there are some flags with this sword and looking at the damage around the peen, I think it's a collection of parts.
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 23, 2023 12:38:36 GMT
First thing I saw was the slightly flattened peen plateau. Peen is not very Klingenthal too. Should be domed. The blade has a slightly tired look. May be the camera, but I guess there was some hefty scaping going on. I also think that the Officers sabres with scabbard furniture ,,a la bombe'' like this one, typically come from Solingen. As this design was carried over well into 1850's, it puts to question the scabbard being ,,Imperial'' or not. I have the idea it is much later. Bas may be right.
Cheers.
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Post by bjoker on Jun 23, 2023 13:21:36 GMT
Thank you both very much for your opinions, it seems then that it is a mix of various parts and probably from various eras. Who knows if everything was assembled for practical uses at the time or if it was done in more modern times for other purposes... The blade is really very tanned.
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Post by pellius on Jun 23, 2023 15:01:55 GMT
To me it looks kinda like someone vigorously went at the blade with 60 grit, then whacked the edge against another blade a few times.
All those gouges from sanding will hold dirt and moisture, and be near impossible to keep clean.
I would stay away from this one, even if it were very inexpensive. That’s just me, though.
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 23, 2023 17:27:41 GMT
Looks like a Dremel was used to get rid of the rust. Almost impossible to polish out those ,,tracks''. Solingen made Officers sabres of the period often are much cheaper than French made sabres. Normally like 50 - 75% of the price of a French made one. Save your money and keep an eye out.
Cheers.
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Post by bjoker on Jun 23, 2023 22:06:05 GMT
Thanks so much for the clarifications guys, I'll treasure them!
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Post by puzon on Jun 26, 2023 16:11:21 GMT
Hi A short series of officer's sabers made in Klingenthal in august 1813.
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Post by puzon on Jun 26, 2023 16:20:15 GMT
This is my saber under renovation a few months ago. Puzon
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Post by maxdchouinard on Jun 27, 2023 16:18:41 GMT
We do not commonly find poincons on officer blades, and even more rarely on their hilts and scabbards, for the simple reasons that they were a lot more expensive than those made elsewhere, and were all exactly the same, save for some special orders from the government.
As discussed in the thread linked by Puzon, his sabre is a very important example because it highlights exactly what the model was for officer sabres; down to the blade length that is slightly shorter than troopers.
You see the same thing with Chatellerault. Officer swords with Chatellerault stamped blades are relatively more common than Napeleonic ones, but complete Chatellerault products are extremely rare. LC 1822s for some reason being more common than the rest of the models.
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