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Post by marw on May 8, 2023 13:23:56 GMT
Guys I just got this antique wootz (jauhar) syrian saif. Although I have "restored" some tulwars before, I am afraid to try my novice restoration skills. Any thoughts on some basic treatments after getting it? Is is a good idea to apply DW-40 to it (no rust then, but no patina as well)?
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Post by larason2 on May 8, 2023 17:23:15 GMT
That's a gorgeous piece. It might be a modern damascus, but it looks legit to me. Here's an interesting page: www.fordemilitaryantiques.com/articles/2019/4/4/is-it-wootzMaybe others will be able to confirm if it's legit or not. The acid etching and the high carbide content make true wootz quite resistant to rusting, so I would leave it as is.
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Post by randomnobody on May 8, 2023 17:37:20 GMT
Seeing as this does appear to be genuine wootz, I would absolutely not touch it, myself. If you must have it restored, there are services offered by people who know a lot more about doing so properly than any of us here. Depending on where you are, though, it may be tough to get your sword to them...
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Post by ipostswords on May 16, 2023 2:51:25 GMT
This crucible steel blade looks to be in good condition, with a pretty good, even etch. I'd oil it, but thats all.
If it were in need of work, wootz militaria UK would be the obvious recommendation as this is their field, but honestly, this just needs protection.
Whether you go the renaissance wax route or stick to neutral mineral oils is largely up to you.
Very nicely figured steel on this example.
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Post by marw on May 17, 2023 1:21:53 GMT
That was exactly whom I was thinking about. Do you have any indication what are their charges for these services (wootz militaria) ? My concern is mostly the slight deviation in the hilt.
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Post by ipostswords on May 17, 2023 9:01:15 GMT
That was exactly whom I was thinking about. Do you have any indication what are their charges for these services (wootz militaria) ? My concern is mostly the slight deviation in the hilt. I can ask Jin for a quote, we talk most weeks. Can you get well lit photos, perhaps in soft outdoor light?
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Post by marw on May 23, 2023 13:57:49 GMT
That was exactly whom I was thinking about. Do you have any indication what are their charges for these services (wootz militaria) ? My concern is mostly the slight deviation in the hilt. I can ask Jin for a quote, we talk most weeks. Can you get well lit photos, perhaps in soft outdoor light? Sorry for my absence. Here are some photos.
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Post by marw on May 23, 2023 14:00:25 GMT
On a different note, dont you think the size of LK Chen blade is somewhat on the smaller side (76 cm)? The shape and dimensions of his shamshir are extremely simmilar to this one but this antique is still on a longer side with 77.5 cm blade. Usually the blade lengths are around 80-82 cm for shamshirs.
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Post by mrstabby on May 23, 2023 14:40:49 GMT
I wouldn't say 1,5cm is that much of a difference. Most what I have seen were under 80cm, but I have to add, I have only seen a like a dozen or so.
I agree with ipostswords, if there is no rust don't do anything to it. The break of the edge is a concern, it might break off furter, if you do anything more forceful to that area. You'd need to reprofile the whole blade to get rid of it without it being still visible. Either go professional or oil/vaseline/wax it. You can try a bit of cirtic acid solution on a sponge or towel if there are small spots you need to get rid off, you have to be sure to remove all the acid after (maybe a second sponge with a bit of baking soda water to neutralize the acid and alcohol to dry off the remeiniing humidity, then oil) and it might leave a lighter spot if you rub it in to long, so better go professional.
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Post by ipostswords on May 26, 2023 16:09:26 GMT
I can ask Jin for a quote, we talk most weeks. Can you get well lit photos, perhaps in soft outdoor light? Sorry for my absence. Here are some photos. Sent these to Jin, depending on the extent of work and insurance involved (shipping and all that), you'd be looking in the 150 to 350 GBP range, plus shipping which will vary widely based on your location. Thats assuming the hilt needs to be removed then reattached to address warping or structural issues.
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