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Post by Drunk Merchant on Feb 27, 2023 2:25:51 GMT
I’m starting to see a pattern here… Attachments:
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Post by eastman on Feb 27, 2023 3:06:03 GMT
If the 3rd one down is a Victory provided as Lend-Lease in the British cartridge (.380-200 aka .38 S&W), then all but the Tokarev are in underpowered rimmed revolver rounds. If the S&W is actually Special, then it is up there with the Tokarev. Of the 4, I don't have a Nagant.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Feb 27, 2023 4:35:34 GMT
Victory is a 38/200 that was bored to accept special too. Thankfully the 38/200 still still can be used as it actually fits the barrel. They’re target pistols/collectibles to me so I won’t be needing them to fight a war. They might be outdated with unimpressive cartridges but they have looks and history and that counts for a lot in my hoarding.
The generic milsurp Nagant 7.62 is 100gr/1100 so kinetic energy wise that’s about the same as 380 and nonP+ 38sp. Commercial rounds are miserably bad though and inaccurate since sizes wrong so I only buy surplus. A heavy trigger pull used to be it’s worst trait but I modded it to be much lower.
Like you said, the Tokarev (and my LCP) are the ones I’d reach for in an emergency. I’ll try to get a war era 1911 eventually but I’ll treat the victory as a stop gap.
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Post by eastman on Feb 28, 2023 2:53:18 GMT
I should have bought a Nagant when Cabela's had them for $95. Unfortunately not in my then state of residence (the Cabela's with a case full of them was the Dallas-Ft. Worth branch). That was one of the inspirations for getting a Type 03 FFL.
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 28, 2023 3:15:16 GMT
In context of the Tokarev, are the revolvers underpowered, or just not as beastly as the potent Tokarev? I’m fully in the camp that .38 is a fully adequate defensive round against humans generally, at least with anything above an extreme snub barrel (which is still fully capable of incapacitating or killing, just not as well as normal barrels). Are there better man stoppers today? Oh heck yeah. Is the .38 still capable? Yep.
Anyway, that was supposed to be the second paragraph lol. All of those are beautiful pieces!
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Post by tera on Feb 28, 2023 4:13:08 GMT
I should have bought a Nagant when Cabela's had them for $95. Unfortunately not in my then state of residence (the Cabela's with a case full of them was the Dallas-Ft. Worth branch). That was one of the inspirations for getting a Type 03 FFL. Some Cabela's Firearms Operations folks will be happy to sell you a gun and ship it to a local FFL of your choice. They just need your dealer's info so they can exchange paperwork, etc.
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Post by eastman on Feb 28, 2023 4:20:13 GMT
.38 S&W was originally a blackpowder round featured in a lot of weak top-break revolvers. It may have been moderately effective in the original British .380-200 loading, since the long 200-grain bullet would be very unstable once it made contact. Current factory loads are a 146 gr lead bullet at 600-650 fps. Not exactly a screamer. It is nowhere near as special as the later .38 S&W Special.
The actual milsurp 7.62x38R Nagant ammo is on par with .32 H&R magnum. The modern commercial ammo is closer to .32 S&W Long.
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Post by eastman on Feb 28, 2023 4:22:22 GMT
I should have bought a Nagant when Cabela's had them for $95. Unfortunately not in my then state of residence (the Cabela's with a case full of them was the Dallas-Ft. Worth branch). That was one of the inspirations for getting a Type 03 FFL. Some Cabela's Firearms Operations folks will be happy to sell you a gun and ship it to a local FFL of your choice. They just need your dealer's info so they can exchange paperwork, etc.
That would have involved shipping to IL and paying for a transfer. Didn't want one that bad.
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 28, 2023 12:05:41 GMT
.38 S&W was originally a blackpowder round featured in a lot of weak top-break revolvers. It may have been moderately effective in the original British .380-200 loading, since the long 200-grain bullet would be very unstable once it made contact. Current factory loads are a 146 gr lead bullet at 600-650 fps. Not exactly a screamer. It is nowhere near as special as the later .38 S&W Special. The actual milsurp 7.62x38R Nagant ammo is on par with .32 H&R magnum. The modern commercial ammo is closer to .32 S&W Long. Ah. Got it mixed up with .38 special.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Feb 28, 2023 21:05:16 GMT
Btw if you guys have seen any milsurp 38/200 let me know. My experience with surplus 7.62 is that it not only has better kinetics but also shoots much better groups than modern stuff.
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Post by eastman on Mar 1, 2023 1:38:22 GMT
I've never seen surplus .38/200 .380-200 (or any other way of designating it), I've only seen the FMJ ammo that came later. And it was really expensive (~$1 each).
I picked up a set of loading dies for .38 S&W so I will be working with a friend to make some ammo in the next month or two.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Mar 1, 2023 2:44:25 GMT
Well, here’s hoping it goes well for you. I just found out 38sp on the victory is stormtrooper level inaccurate. Looks like I’ll use S&W next time. Also, turns out these service revolvers weirdly enough were meant to be used single handed.
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Post by eastman on Mar 1, 2023 3:44:55 GMT
.38 S&W uses a 0.360" bore as opposed to the .38 special's 0.357", so the bullet diameter is a little too small. Lead bullets work best when they are a little larger than the bore.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Sept 25, 2023 20:30:15 GMT
What the set looks like now. Apart from a 1911 it’s basically the full allied arsenal (The Mauser was exported to china and has republican import and army markings so despite being German made is still tied to the allies.
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