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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Feb 23, 2023 14:43:20 GMT
Indeed. In order to have a fair and honest tier list we should first of all assign some universal parameters and then apply them to each brand. I also think having EBM as definition of Tier S is also a great starting point. But it's also necessary to divide the brands in price range because obviously a Citadel is superior to a RK but it also costs 2k more and that doesn't make RK a bad sword. Opposite, the value of RK in the $500 range could be superior to the value of Citadel in the $2500 range. Something like this should work: Premium ($2000 and above) - Here one should expect basically perfection or nearly there. No mistakes, high quality parts, superior polishing, excellent balance and geometry. Chances of lemons is 0% (also because if it happens, they replace your sword immediately). High End ($1000 to $2000) - Here parts should still be high quality, blades should be very well balanced and nicely polished. Transitions might be not perfect but rarely. Ito should be very tight at all times. Chances of lemons should be below 10%. Mid Category ($400 to $1000) - Here it would be acceptable to get some minor issues like a slightly loose ito (still functional tho), an imperfect transition, saya rattle and shims. Fittings might be still high quality but it might be acceptable to see some cheaper pieces especially on more expensive steels like L6 or powdered (I still hate it personally). Chances of lemons should hopefully be less than 30% Low Budget ($100 to $400) - Here the quest is NOT to get a loose ito, a misaligned transition, a cheap alloy set of fittings, the wrong tsuba or the wrong color ito, especially in the sub 300 range. Here is also where value counts the most. Chances of lemons could be above 40% Now we can put brands in each category. Some brands might even fit in 2 or more categories. At this point, one should evaluate universal parameters like: parts quality, blade geometry, polishing, value for money, customer service, tsukamaki, transitions, etc. This is an interesting idea.. I don't think the tier maker would work for this kind of matrix. It might be easier to blab about each one individually. Clearer definitions would have been helpful though.
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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Feb 23, 2023 14:44:14 GMT
Hi Matthew, I just finished up your sword list ramble and I have to say it was very enjoyable and I feel like I got a lot out of it. You really could have stretched it out longer IMO. Very nicely done. Glad you liked it. I could have gone on longer but 2 hours was probably enough.
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Post by jester on Feb 23, 2023 15:34:08 GMT
Indeed. In order to have a fair and honest tier list we should first of all assign some universal parameters and then apply them to each brand. I also think having EBM as definition of Tier S is also a great starting point. But it's also necessary to divide the brands in price range because obviously a Citadel is superior to a RK but it also costs 2k more and that doesn't make RK a bad sword. Opposite, the value of RK in the $500 range could be superior to the value of Citadel in the $2500 range. Something like this should work: Premium ($2000 and above) - Here one should expect basically perfection or nearly there. No mistakes, high quality parts, superior polishing, excellent balance and geometry. Chances of lemons is 0% (also because if it happens, they replace your sword immediately). High End ($1000 to $2000) - Here parts should still be high quality, blades should be very well balanced and nicely polished. Transitions might be not perfect but rarely. Ito should be very tight at all times. Chances of lemons should be below 10%. Mid Category ($400 to $1000) - Here it would be acceptable to get some minor issues like a slightly loose ito (still functional tho), an imperfect transition, saya rattle and shims. Fittings might be still high quality but it might be acceptable to see some cheaper pieces especially on more expensive steels like L6 or powdered (I still hate it personally). Chances of lemons should hopefully be less than 30% Low Budget ($100 to $400) - Here the quest is NOT to get a loose ito, a misaligned transition, a cheap alloy set of fittings, the wrong tsuba or the wrong color ito, especially in the sub 300 range. Here is also where value counts the most. Chances of lemons could be above 40% Now we can put brands in each category. Some brands might even fit in 2 or more categories. At this point, one should evaluate universal parameters like: parts quality, blade geometry, polishing, value for money, customer service, tsukamaki, transitions, etc. This is an interesting idea.. I don't think the tier maker would work for this kind of matrix. It might be easier to blab about each one individually. Clearer definitions would have been helpful though. It's one tier list for each. So 4 lists.
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Post by Yagoro on Feb 23, 2023 16:42:56 GMT
Tbh i saw your tier list and am curious why you put zsey in b but huawei in s? Especially since huawei hasnt been delivering orders consistently, and zsey has much more customization options. Also not sure if id rate skyjiro above zsey. Ive handled 2 huaweis and only 1 zsey(currently waiting on a custom one) and the zsey in most aspects was just outright better than the huawei(both of which were dotanuki notare). Also have handled 2 skyjiro swords, and while they were pretty good for the price, they were head and shoulders below huawei(which makes sense based off your ranking) but also worse than zsey in every aspect(which also makes sense, atleast for the taka chigai because of its price point). However the black hawk i had was priced similarly to many zsey offerings and everything about it was worse. Late to the party on the reply's here but I will try to give some more insight. Keep in mind that my musings are not with any particular context or use in mind for this list. It is based on my personal first hand experience, a bit of interpretation, and not favoring any one quality. A mix of what I perceive to be quality, value, service, or how the manufacturer delivers on their promise. If I were rating this as who makes the best blade for Iaido under $400, the best zombie weapon for $1000, what blade would I take to war for under $5k, or what cuts tatami best, then the list would take a very different look. At least in some spots. Just trying to clarify that the video is not about which can be wacked into a metal rod the most times. The difference between ZSey and Huawei in my mind is between quality and price. I have had fewer examples of ZSey to look at. The single example I looked at was $900 and did not have as many details addressed as the $400 Hauwei. It had a nicer polish, a clean feeling, and was a well made blade. It still ranks high but Huawei hits a lot of little things that tend to be absent in all but the well done premium brands and higher end custom pieces. Is Hauwei better than ZSey, it depends. In some ways I would argue they provide a better value, in other ways ZSey provides some things Huawei does not or cannot. Polish and ontime delivery come to the top of my mind. But if you can wait, that Huawei sure seems to give you a lot for your money. Skyjrio is another that has impressed. I am not impressed by their service but they seem to make a good product for the most part. Some have been truly amazing feeling swords. I have had somewhere around 15 or 20 skyjiro blades, hard to keep track. In that time my experience has been largely positive. I only have one ZSey to reflect on as well as some impressions from their website. My impressions are subject to change and you could be right about ZSey being the better value. That said, $900 seems to be the start, the crossed feathers and warlord katana were $500-$600 (from what I recall) and they offered something very nice. Not the same but debatably a better value. The tier list is open for others to use. Maybe make one yourself and throw out some thoughts. I would watch. Ah well that makes more sense. In my comment I was referring to swords at the same price point. Also find it odd how zsey sent you a sword with a massive bohi knowing that you are known for abusive testing, which bohi are not really conducive towards lol. But yeah for skyjiros lower end options they definitely are great bang for the buck. However me personally I wouldn't buy anything over 800 bucks from them. Huawei is odd in that my favorite sword is a Huawei, but there are certain things I'd wish they would do better(order delivery being the top priority).
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Post by ggolden219 on Feb 23, 2023 20:53:23 GMT
You really hit a lot of makers on this video - more than I knew even existed. I understand this list is subjective and not confined to specific constraints, and that's too bad you haven't had a chance to review more from Z-Sey (since they are a very hot topic). Personally, I've been thrilled with what I've received from them, and luckily I pulled the trigger on one before the price increase brought the minimum order to $900.
After receiving a 2nd hand Huawei, I'm glad I was able to order from their website when I did: pre-covid when the cost was less than their current prices, and I also received my in-stock katana within a month of ordering. I wish Huawei would finish all their endknots on the correct side, but I'm nitpicking. There was a time when everyone in the katana industry recommended Huawei, but with the way things have been going, it's definitely difficult to recommend them to anyone at this point. It's starting to feel like Huawei is going the way of the dodo bird - extinct. Hopefully I'm wrong, and they are able to bounce back and fulfill orders once again.
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Post by zabazagobo on Feb 23, 2023 23:13:39 GMT
I think your tier list video provided a great perspective on things, Matthew.Jensen. I watched it all the way through (across 2 sessions, very thorough!). Thanks as always for taking the time to make such thoughtful content.
You bring up an interesting point in this tier list where the logic is "how satisfied was I with what showed up based on what I paid for the sword" rather than simply "best fit and finish", etc. In these types of scenarios, certain manufacturers, like Huawei and Munetoshi, are often very satisfying purchases given the relatively low barrier to entry (well, at least when I dabbled with both 7-8 years ago) and the overall quality received.
Then you get into the "this fun sword with nice koshirae has an MSRP of $1400 and I paid $900 for the one I got, but the blade damages easily, the saya rattles, the ito-maki is sloppy and the tsuka shape is wonky" realm and suddenly a "nice" or 'high end' sword ends up being a "C-Tier" brand. I completely agree. Consistent execution is really important, and when a purchase that costs around $1,000 (or more) has significant flaws, it deflates one's satisfaction to a greater degree than a $400 purchase based on expectations and costs. There's always a recency bias on the latest and greatest in any product market. I remember 6-7 years ago many were hyping up Kaneie for the "great polish, nicely shaped tsuka, tight itomaki and 'tastefully minimalist' koshirae'"...swords retailed for around $1,000 and I kept looking at them thinking "given Huawei, what's the point?". Subjective valuation and all that.
I don't disagree with most of the tier ratings posted in your video (one subjective point of contention would place Dynasty Forge in B tier for me, the daimyo series carries that brand). I like swords which can tank hits and dish them out like a tank in turn, so I find your considerations on durability particularly relevant; they are weapons after all. Easy chipping and bending does not a good sword make. I get extremely deflated when a new sword, especially a pricey one, deforms readily.
It could be fun to score the brands you have had experience with on several different dimensions, such as blade aesthetic, blade durability, koshirae and design aesthetic, handling and feel for kenjutsu, handling and feel for iaijutsu, etc. Tier lists are convenient in that any given rank could be numerically keyed (S=5, A=4, B=3 and so on) for any given category. Any given category could have an attached weight and the weighted categorical scores could be aggregated to create a 'total tier' score. That'd be a fair bit of work though.
Cheers, and thanks for producing!
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Post by blairbob on Feb 24, 2023 1:08:48 GMT
damn!
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Post by George on Feb 24, 2023 4:27:31 GMT
As someone who owns a Citadel, Zsey and Huawei it's LAUGHABLE that either Zsey OR Huawei would be in the same tier (or higher WTF??) as Citadel. I just don't understand myself, but hey, we all have different opinions. I'm referring to the Video, not specifically your list. If the question was who puts a sword together better Citadel, ZSey, or Huawei my answer might be different. I am factoring in that majority of things Citadel gets right at $2000+ are also present in a $400 Huawei. There is a wow for your money factor that comes in. At $2k+ Citadel comes with loftier expectations. What do you think the rank should be? Sorry to come across abrasive. I was just a bit shocked. And I see you've just been spammed with replies, so IF you end up reading this, just know that my comment came BEFORE I watched the video. I watched the whole thing through and mostly agree with you from my personal experience too. I really enjoyed the video.
A few caveats.
You said the Huawei you owned are from 10 years ago. Mine is from 2020. I personally feel that 10 years ago Huawei deserved an S tier. The price and what you get compared to what was in the market 10 years ago, is totally viable for an S tier. But the last few years? Nope.
Here is a list of issues with my Huawei -
Cracked Tsuka core. They actually shimmed over the top of the crack and left it as is, so poor Quality Control. Tsuka not made to fit (this surprised people, I assumed everyone knew they Huawei used mass produced tsuka. No where do they state they make the tsuka core to fit)?
Wood showing all around end knots through ito gaps Samegawa not cut/fit correctly (causing gaps above)
Saya rattle. To prevent this I found a piece of packing foam they have jammed down the end so the kissaki half sits in the foam. It didn't work, rattle still present and I have no idea how to get this foam out.
Fuchi and Kashira are plain/cheap made and show casting marks Sageo is thin and shoelace like. I own decent Japanese silk Sageo and they're nicer and thicker. Not sure where Huawei source their sageo from?
Yes, the blade, polish and geometry are really nice. This is what they nail. But they fail (in my opinion) in other aspects. Also to note, they have the worst "customer service" (if you could even call it "service" lol) currently in the sword market.
Based on all that, even A tier is a bit generous for modern, post covid Huawei.
I also understand your view on Citadel. They are expensive and you said your Bamboo model split at the koiguchi. That is unacceptable and I would agree, they can't get S tier based on that alone. My experience with Citadel, I owned about 5 of their Japanese style blades and probably another 5 of their forged knives, is they're damn near perfect and I would put them equal to Motohara. But again, my perspective is more a collector than a practitioner and I totally understand why grass cutters (Motohara) are more popular than more traditionally made blades (Citadel). I was going to do a Motohara V's Citadel video and show why Citadel were actually better in most aspects (minus the polish) based on a collectors opinion. But WOW. Videos aren't easy haha. They take so much work lol. I'm not sure I could be bothered as most people won't care anyway haha. We like what we like :)
For Zsey, well yours bent. So again, from a practitioners perspective like yourself, you couldn't rate them higher. But I do think A is fair.
So all I'd do to change it really is swap Huawei and Citadel. But that is just based on my personal experience and I have definitely not handled as many swords as you have. So overall, a great list!
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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Feb 24, 2023 14:07:08 GMT
If the question was who puts a sword together better Citadel, ZSey, or Huawei my answer might be different. I am factoring in that majority of things Citadel gets right at $2000+ are also present in a $400 Huawei. There is a wow for your money factor that comes in. At $2k+ Citadel comes with loftier expectations. What do you think the rank should be? Sorry to come across abrasive. I was just a bit shocked. And I see you've just been spammed with replies, so IF you end up reading this, just know that my comment came BEFORE I watched the video. I watched the whole thing through and mostly agree with you from my personal experience too. I really enjoyed the video.
A few caveats.
You said the Huawei you owned are from 10 years ago. Mine is from 2020. I personally feel that 10 years ago Huawei deserved an S tier. The price and what you get compared to what was in the market 10 years ago, is totally viable for an S tier. But the last few years? Nope.
Here is a list of issues with my Huawei -
Cracked Tsuka core. They actually shimmed over the top of the crack and left it as is, so poor Quality Control. Tsuka not made to fit (this surprised people, I assumed everyone knew they Huawei used mass produced tsuka. No where do they state they make the tsuka core to fit)?
Wood showing all around end knots through ito gaps Samegawa not cut/fit correctly (causing gaps above)
Saya rattle. To prevent this I found a piece of packing foam they have jammed down the end so the kissaki half sits in the foam. It didn't work, rattle still present and I have no idea how to get this foam out.
Fuchi and Kashira are plain/cheap made and show casting marks Sageo is thin and shoelace like. I own decent Japanese silk Sageo and they're nicer and thicker. Not sure where Huawei source their sageo from?
Yes, the blade, polish and geometry are really nice. This is what they nail. But they fail (in my opinion) in other aspects. Also to note, they have the worst "customer service" (if you could even call it "service" lol) currently in the sword market.
Based on all that, even A tier is a bit generous for modern, post covid Huawei.
I also understand your view on Citadel. They are expensive and you said your Bamboo model split at the koiguchi. That is unacceptable and I would agree, they can't get S tier based on that alone. My experience with Citadel, I owned about 5 of their Japanese style blades and probably another 5 of their forged knives, is they're damn near perfect and I would put them equal to Motohara. But again, my perspective is more a collector than a practitioner and I totally understand why grass cutters (Motohara) are more popular than more traditionally made blades (Citadel). I was going to do a Motohara V's Citadel video and show why Citadel were actually better in most aspects (minus the polish) based on a collectors opinion. But WOW. Videos aren't easy haha. They take so much work lol. I'm not sure I could be bothered as most people won't care anyway haha. We like what we like :)
For Zsey, well yours bent. So again, from a practitioners perspective like yourself, you couldn't rate them higher. But I do think A is fair.
So all I'd do to change it really is swap Huawei and Citadel. But that is just based on my personal experience and I have definitely not handled as many swords as you have. So overall, a great list!
No apologies necessary, I made a public video and you are welcome to disagree. Frankly, the disagreements are more fun to talk though. I appreciate you sharing your perspective and experience. We have had a similar run in the Citadel camp, I have had four of them over the years. Two Bamboos, one Lotus, and one Ocean. All of them had a slight bind in the saya. Maybe it is the northern climate I live in because I don't hear other people complain about it. I also like the hand made fittings, not something anyone else offers at the moment.
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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Feb 24, 2023 14:17:18 GMT
I think your tier list video provided a great perspective on things, Matthew.Jensen . I watched it all the way through (across 2 sessions, very thorough!). Thanks as always for taking the time to make such thoughtful content.
You bring up an interesting point in this tier list where the logic is "how satisfied was I with what showed up based on what I paid for the sword" rather than simply "best fit and finish", etc. In these types of scenarios, certain manufacturers, like Huawei and Munetoshi, are often very satisfying purchases given the relatively low barrier to entry (well, at least when I dabbled with both 7-8 years ago) and the overall quality received.
Then you get into the "this fun sword with nice koshirae has an MSRP of $1400 and I paid $900 for the one I got, but the blade damages easily, the saya rattles, the ito-maki is sloppy and the tsuka shape is wonky" realm and suddenly a "nice" or 'high end' sword ends up being a "C-Tier" brand. I completely agree. Consistent execution is really important, and when a purchase that costs around $1,000 (or more) has significant flaws, it deflates one's satisfaction to a greater degree than a $400 purchase based on expectations and costs. There's always a recency bias on the latest and greatest in any product market. I remember 6-7 years ago many were hyping up Kaneie for the "great polish, nicely shaped tsuka, tight itomaki and 'tastefully minimalist' koshirae'"...swords retailed for around $1,000 and I kept looking at them thinking "given Huawei, what's the point?". Subjective valuation and all that.
I don't disagree with most of the tier ratings posted in your video (one subjective point of contention would place Dynasty Forge in B tier for me, the daimyo series carries that brand). I like swords which can tank hits and dish them out like a tank in turn, so I find your considerations on durability particularly relevant; they are weapons after all. Easy chipping and bending does not a good sword make. I get extremely deflated when a new sword, especially a pricey one, deforms readily.
It could be fun to score the brands you have had experience with on several different dimensions, such as blade aesthetic, blade durability, koshirae and design aesthetic, handling and feel for kenjutsu, handling and feel for iaijutsu, etc. Tier lists are convenient in that any given rank could be numerically keyed (S=5, A=4, B=3 and so on) for any given category. Any given category could have an attached weight and the weighted categorical scores could be aggregated to create a 'total tier' score. That'd be a fair bit of work though.
Cheers, and thanks for producing!
It seems to be an interesting topic, I will probably go over some of the best swords for different applications. There has been enough interest that it seems worth revisiting. As for Dynasty Forge, their Daimyo seriese seemed to be less common but I agree it was what stood out as the most special. Tanks they were not though. I like swords that can take a hit but I think it surprises people that I also like swords that are agile. Were I to go to a fudal war, I would want something robust enough to be able to be struck by other weapons and bat away spear shafts or even heads. For a walking around town sword, I would prefer something agile. It only needs to survive one altercation. Ideally more but that agility might be the difference between poking without being poked.
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Post by George on Feb 24, 2023 14:22:26 GMT
Sorry to come across abrasive. I was just a bit shocked. And I see you've just been spammed with replies, so IF you end up reading this, just know that my comment came BEFORE I watched the video. I watched the whole thing through and mostly agree with you from my personal experience too. I really enjoyed the video.
A few caveats.
You said the Huawei you owned are from 10 years ago. Mine is from 2020. I personally feel that 10 years ago Huawei deserved an S tier. The price and what you get compared to what was in the market 10 years ago, is totally viable for an S tier. But the last few years? Nope.
Here is a list of issues with my Huawei -
Cracked Tsuka core. They actually shimmed over the top of the crack and left it as is, so poor Quality Control. Tsuka not made to fit (this surprised people, I assumed everyone knew they Huawei used mass produced tsuka. No where do they state they make the tsuka core to fit)?
Wood showing all around end knots through ito gaps Samegawa not cut/fit correctly (causing gaps above)
Saya rattle. To prevent this I found a piece of packing foam they have jammed down the end so the kissaki half sits in the foam. It didn't work, rattle still present and I have no idea how to get this foam out.
Fuchi and Kashira are plain/cheap made and show casting marks Sageo is thin and shoelace like. I own decent Japanese silk Sageo and they're nicer and thicker. Not sure where Huawei source their sageo from?
Yes, the blade, polish and geometry are really nice. This is what they nail. But they fail (in my opinion) in other aspects. Also to note, they have the worst "customer service" (if you could even call it "service" lol) currently in the sword market.
Based on all that, even A tier is a bit generous for modern, post covid Huawei.
I also understand your view on Citadel. They are expensive and you said your Bamboo model split at the koiguchi. That is unacceptable and I would agree, they can't get S tier based on that alone. My experience with Citadel, I owned about 5 of their Japanese style blades and probably another 5 of their forged knives, is they're damn near perfect and I would put them equal to Motohara. But again, my perspective is more a collector than a practitioner and I totally understand why grass cutters (Motohara) are more popular than more traditionally made blades (Citadel). I was going to do a Motohara V's Citadel video and show why Citadel were actually better in most aspects (minus the polish) based on a collectors opinion. But WOW. Videos aren't easy haha. They take so much work lol. I'm not sure I could be bothered as most people won't care anyway haha. We like what we like :)
For Zsey, well yours bent. So again, from a practitioners perspective like yourself, you couldn't rate them higher. But I do think A is fair.
So all I'd do to change it really is swap Huawei and Citadel. But that is just based on my personal experience and I have definitely not handled as many swords as you have. So overall, a great list!
No apologies necessary, I made a public video and you are welcome to disagree. Frankly, the disagreements are more fun to talk though. I appreciate you sharing your perspective and experience. We have had a similar run in the Citadel camp, I have had four of them over the years. Two Bamboos, one Lotus, and one Ocean. All of them had a slight bind in the saya. Maybe it is the northern climate I live in because I don't hear other people complain about it. I also like the hand made fittings, not something anyone else offers at the moment. Awesome! Glad to hear :) My Lotus katana has that too. There is no bind on the Tanto's (Ocean or Imperial). It's actually the points of the diamond shaped kissaki on the mune, rubbing the end of the saya as you know the saya is tapered. I know this because after a lot of drawing my Lotus out, there are shiny rub marks on both the sides of the diamond pointy things that did not exist when I first got the blade. I could get a photo for you if you like.
I dunno why they made it like this, but it doesn't bother me and it's barely noticeable. I reckon if I never watched your video review, I may have never noticed it myself.
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Post by zabazagobo on Mar 2, 2023 7:28:12 GMT
It seems to be an interesting topic, I will probably go over some of the best swords for different applications. There has been enough interest that it seems worth revisiting. As for Dynasty Forge, their Daimyo seriese seemed to be less common but I agree it was what stood out as the most special. Tanks they were not though. I like swords that can take a hit but I think it surprises people that I also like swords that are agile. Were I to go to a fudal war, I would want something robust enough to be able to be struck by other weapons and bat away spear shafts or even heads. For a walking around town sword, I would prefer something agile. It only needs to survive one altercation. Ideally more but that agility might be the difference between poking without being poked. I definitely look forward to hearing your thoughts on different swords for different purposes. I think that such perspectives and commentary could be very helpful for hobbyists given that you have definitely handled a lot of swords over the years.
I completely agree with your logic on the agility tradeoff, which is why I'd keep something cleave-friendly like a Dynasty Forge o-katana for the battlefield scenario and something speedy like LK Chen's Snow Peak jian for the day to day skirmish. Hmm, so basically Ming Dynasty armament practice now that I think of it. If one's to be creatively anachronistic, perhaps there's bonus points for multicultural anachronism.
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Post by metinemre on Dec 3, 2023 10:26:48 GMT
Matthew Did you post your final ranking list anywhere?
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Post by ggolden219 on Dec 14, 2023 22:18:24 GMT
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Post by metinemre on Dec 15, 2023 4:30:27 GMT
Cheers, I watched the video. Looking for a readable posted list :)
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Post by AJGBlack on Dec 15, 2023 16:03:00 GMT
Cheers, I watched the video. Looking for a readable posted list List is in the video description (aka, the doobilidoo)
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Post by metinemre on Dec 16, 2023 3:55:30 GMT
Cheers, I watched the video. Looking for a readable posted list :) List is in the video description (aka, the doobilidoo) You`re right, I should have asked better.
I`m looking for the final, finished tier list. Who`s in top tier and then down to worse ones. Can`t read anything at the end of the video from small logos.
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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Feb 17, 2024 18:41:13 GMT
I am planning on following up with another 2024 video - any more vendors to add that make or have made katana?
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Post by blairbob on Feb 17, 2024 20:57:47 GMT
RVA has their various brands (Moritaka, Dragonspring, PhoenixArms, LegacyBlade besides Cloudhammer) but there are very few if any thorough reviews on them besides their own shorts
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 17, 2024 21:01:38 GMT
Sakae Forge
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