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Post by jckang on Feb 9, 2023 4:38:22 GMT
Got this recently, Fuyuhiro mumei naginata-naoshi.
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Post by angellego on Feb 9, 2023 5:45:07 GMT
Naginata naoshi swords are my favorite geometry to look at. Thats an interesting hamon, how it loops back i dont think ive seen that before.
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Post by Yagoro on Feb 9, 2023 6:02:21 GMT
Naginata naoshi swords are my favorite geometry to look at. Thats an interesting hamon, how it loops back i dont think ive seen that before. thats called the boshi. Most swords with hamon have that to ensure kissaki strength
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Post by treeslicer on Feb 9, 2023 6:11:37 GMT
Got this recently, Fuyuhiro mumei naginata-naoshi.
Where are your photos?
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Post by Arlequin on Feb 9, 2023 6:19:57 GMT
Beautiful piece, honestly makes me wonder why a bored smith or overtly wealthy samurai never made mor full length katana blades with this detailed of a geometry..
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Post by jckang on Feb 9, 2023 13:40:07 GMT
Beautiful piece, honestly makes me wonder why a bored smith or overtly wealthy samurai never made a full length katana blade with this detailed of a geometry.. Oh, Ray Singer currently has a Nanbokucho nagamaki-naoshi, 70cm nagasa for sale... sugata is gorgeous... but at $15k, it's way too rich for my blood.
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Post by jckang on Feb 9, 2023 13:41:17 GMT
They are linked from a FB nihonto group
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Post by pellius on Feb 9, 2023 13:55:32 GMT
Very nice
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Post by jckang on Feb 9, 2023 14:35:45 GMT
Naginata naoshi swords are my favorite geometry to look at. Thats an interesting hamon, how it loops back i dont think ive seen that before. I've seen several naginata-naoshi, nagamaki-naoshi, and kogarasu/moirha like this.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 9, 2023 15:00:34 GMT
You can find similar sugata in longer blades, but they're not overly common.
Naginata-naoshi is probably my favorite sugata. This one's pretty nice.
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Post by jckang on Feb 9, 2023 16:46:03 GMT
Naginata naoshi swords are my favorite geometry to look at. Thats an interesting hamon, how it loops back i dont think ive seen that before. thats called the boshi. Most swords with hamon have that to ensure kissaki strength I believe it's specifically the kaeri of the boshi that angellego is noting.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 9, 2023 17:05:47 GMT
Isn't that a sign that the blade is completely forged in the naginata-naoshi style and not a shortened naginata? Look here: www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/naginata.htmlThe middle blade of the "style" drawings at the bottom.
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Post by vagabondzenith on Feb 9, 2023 17:21:40 GMT
subarashiiiii
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 9, 2023 17:35:04 GMT
Isn't that a sign that the blade is completely forged in the naginata-naoshi style and not a shortened naginata? Look here: www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/naginata.htmlThe middle blade of the "style" drawings at the bottom. You know, I'm not sure how common the clipping of the kissaki is/was. This blade looks suriage, so it may have been a naginata once, but there are several that have been made "in the style" of naginata-naoshi.
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Post by jckang on Feb 9, 2023 19:19:56 GMT
Isn't that a sign that the blade is completely forged in the naginata-naoshi style and not a shortened naginata? Look here: www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/naginata.htmlThe middle blade of the "style" drawings at the bottom. You know, I'm not sure how common the clipping of the kissaki is/was. This blade looks suriage, so it may have been a naginata once, but there are several that have been made "in the style" of naginata-naoshi. Unless you were a ninja, it was probably more common to cut down from the nakago than the kissaki.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 9, 2023 19:34:49 GMT
Unless you were a ninja, it was probably more common to cut down from the nakago than the kissaki. A common point of naginata-to-wakizashi "naoshi" is clipping the back edge to reduce the excess "sweep" most naginata have. I haven't checked the Usagi-ya link, but I'm pretty sure it mentions this there, from previous readings.
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Post by Yagoro on Feb 9, 2023 19:39:19 GMT
Unless you were a ninja, it was probably more common to cut down from the nakago than the kissaki. A common point of naginata-to-wakizashi "naoshi" is clipping the back edge to reduce the excess "sweep" most naginata have. I haven't checked the Usagi-ya link, but I'm pretty sure it mentions this there, from previous readings. Reason they would do this was because regular saya used for uncut naginata would not fit into an obi well, and would also be awkward to wear in daisho.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 9, 2023 19:43:13 GMT
Didn't see the illustration I thought I remembered on the Usagi-ya page, and can't remember where I saw it, but here's some discussion of the subject on the Nihonto Message Boards: www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/27114-naginata-naoshi/Reason they would do this was because regular saya used for uncut naginata would not fit into an obi well, and would also be awkward to wear in daisho. Yep. Widening saya did exist, I forget what they're called, but the extent to which a proper naginata saya widens would not wear well on the waist.
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Post by jckang on Feb 9, 2023 20:42:13 GMT
Unless you were a ninja, it was probably more common to cut down from the nakago than the kissaki. A common point of naginata-to-wakizashi "naoshi" is clipping the back edge to reduce the excess "sweep" most naginata have. I haven't checked the Usagi-ya link, but I'm pretty sure it mentions this there, from previous readings. Ah, that makes sense. On this one, though, the way they clayed the spine, I'd guess it wasn't clipped.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 9, 2023 21:41:56 GMT
Ah, that makes sense. On this one, though, the way they clayed the spine, I'd guess it wasn't clipped. Indeed. This one either may have been a very slender naginata, or perhaps a nagamaki. Maybe even just a cut-down unokubi katana/tachi.
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