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Post by emilpett on Jan 8, 2023 23:57:28 GMT
old sword, with eagle on buckle, think it says Cottiau on mark backside of buckle
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Post by emilpett on Jan 9, 2023 0:01:13 GMT
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Post by eastman on Jan 9, 2023 1:09:48 GMT
The hilt looks a lot like a French 1831 Artillery Short Sword, but the blade shape isn't the French pattern (which has a triangular flat at the base by the guard).
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Post by mrbadexample on Jan 9, 2023 11:29:02 GMT
That looks to me like a U.S. model 1832 artillery sword. Similar to the French sword mentioned above but with a blade shape more like this. The suspension system also appears correct. I’m not sure about reproduction vs antique, but pretty sure about the id. Anybody else?
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Post by pgandy on Jan 9, 2023 16:01:55 GMT
Your sword doesn’t appear to be a French M1831 nor an US M1832. I do not know what it is. Below are photos of both swords compliments of Wikipedia. M1831 M1832 M1832 grip    |
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Post by emilpett on Jan 9, 2023 19:08:22 GMT
thx guys, i have googled myself sick, almost  alot of simiaritys out there, could it be russian? |
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Post by eastman on Jan 10, 2023 1:38:53 GMT
I don't know about Russian. The Swiss used a similar cast hilt on a Pioneer short sword, but that had a saw-back blade. Might look for other mid-1800 Swiss blades.
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Post by eastman on Jan 10, 2023 1:39:53 GMT
That looks to me like a U.S. model 1832 artillery sword. Similar to the French sword mentioned above but with a blade shape more like this. The suspension system also appears correct. I’m not sure about reproduction vs antique, but pretty sure about the id. Anybody else?
The US 1832 version should have a fullered blade like the original French 1816 pattern did.
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Post by mrbadexample on Jan 10, 2023 11:24:51 GMT
Ah, yes. I couldn’t open the larger image before. The fullers are not right. This is an interesting one. Looking forward to an id.
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Post by treeslicer on Jan 11, 2023 2:10:16 GMT
thx guys, i have googled myself sick, almost alot of simiaritys out there, could it be russian? You should have googled the Cottiau belt buckle.  The design is French 2nd. Empire, and was used by the National Guard, infantry, and possibly some cavalry units. Example: www.relicmilitaria.com/product/france-cavalry-officers-belt-buckle-second-empire-plaque-de-centurion-dofficier-de-cavalerie/. Cottiau is an authentic maker of the period, but some reproduction swords and gear include fake maker's and acceptance marks, so it proves nothing solid about provenance, except that your sword and belt are intended to be French circa 1860's-1870's. I'd direct my further digging to that area. |
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alot of simiaritys out there, could it be russian? 
The design is French 2nd. Empire, and was used by the National Guard, infantry, and possibly some cavalry units. Example: 