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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 0:41:05 GMT
hey everybody, I'm in a little bit of a pickle... trying to pick my first sword and i have three in mind....might end up getting two but not sure yet... the swords are the gen 2 Irish hand and a half, the gen 2 ranger or the darksword armory Gothic 2 hand... iv read the reviews and i was wondering if anybody had anything else for input, such as handling or if one was better for cutting or thrusting... prity much anything to help me narrow it down. thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 1:52:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 6:19:55 GMT
Hey your list has grown since you lasted posted . So you never did answer what you want out of a sword. Do you want it to look pretty to hang up? Cut? Stage combat? So you care about historical accuracy at all? A bit? A lot? We can't help you pick a sword if we don't know what you want. Everyone is different.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 12:58:52 GMT
ya.... i came across another one i like, historical accuracy isn't that important but functionality is... and as far as the ranger sword being way heavy the way u were saying... iv done some research and it is a little heavy, but its nowhere being way out there and your models really were only averages, personal preference would have created some differences back then too, such as heaver swords or balance points to be in different points
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 13:00:36 GMT
btw... im more of a cutter then thruster, so if one is designed more for thrusting... i didnt see too much of that in the reviews... pleas let me know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 4:26:40 GMT
Okay as for the ranger weight, you have to realize that 3lb 8 oz is pretty much the upper limit of what you want a sword of that size to weight. 4 ounces more IS a big deal. If you don't believe this is true with using a sword the way swords are suppose to be used, then nothing I say will change your mind until you actually bother to go learn for yourself. Not to mention that PoB is also pretty much unrealistic for a sword of said design. It is a FANTASY sword. This is okay for a fantasy sword...you just have to realize that this isn't what actual swords are actually like...in the least. Am I getting through yet? If this doesn't bother you, then fine...but from the posts, I get the feeling that you are just trying to convice us that your favorite choice of the ranger is a "real" sword instead of a fantasy sword.
As for the other two sword choices, both are cut and thrust designs. The ranger PoB being so close to the hilt would also pretty much ruin any blade presence the weight had as well for a rather poor cutter. Although it may still be a great cutter, don't know. But the basic statistics says no. Also basic statistics wise, I would venture to guess that the gen 2 irish would be the best cutter of the bunch. Can't be sure though...this is my best guesstimate without having said swords in hand. The DSA's added weight might give it an advanatge...but the gen 2 blade profile and design makes me think it'll be the better cutter.
Honestly, I get the feeling you like the ranger the best. Or at least how it looks anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 14:20:08 GMT
yes ill agree its stats are a little weard, but there were historical sword that weighed about 4 lbs, and there are reviews on here for the gen 2 ranger sword that are saying the exact opposit of what you are... right now im not shure what i want yet.... im just saying that ur taken what were norms and makeing them sound like rules that have to be folloed to the letter, i know the ranger wont take hard targets, but it shuold be good agenst light ones, im medeval times it would probibly be fast and good for multiple unarmored or lightly armored opponents
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 17:22:02 GMT
allright ppl, narrowed it down to two, gothic two hander or irish hand and a half
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 17:32:20 GMT
allright.... what does the Gothic two hand come with as far as a sheath, and does ether have a sword frog to attach it to a belt with them? I'm leaning towed the Gothic two hander now
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Post by shadowhowler on Oct 19, 2008 18:29:11 GMT
The gothic two handed sword comes with the same kind of scabbard all DSA swords come with... which is to say it holds the sword in it, and thats about it. I keep hearing that DSA will be improving the scabbards... but until they do, meh. It is, however, wood covered with leather as opposed to leather only. The Gen 2 Irish hand and a half is in the same boat. Gen 2 scabbards are not much to look at either. In fact, the one that I have is complete crap... as it was bent... but I LOVE my Gen 2 sword. If your comparing the two swords... here are some things to consider... The irish is about a pound lighter and has a 5 inch shorter blade then the gothic. The irish comes sharp, the gothci you'll have to have sharpened, the irish has a peened tang, the gothic threaded. Both are artistic looking peices... eye catching large weapons... but they are build very differantly and have differant character to them. The gothic is more of a true two hander... the irsh more of a true hand and a half... and they are very differant in construction. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 23:17:27 GMT
My gen 2 scabbard was good...well at least the wood part. The gen 2 leather covering is crap. So is the chape. But at least it'll hold your sword nice and snug. DSA scabbards...will hold your sword...if your LUCKY. Better leather then the Gen 2 I will admit. But honestly, its pretty horrible. Neither comes with a suspension system however. The gen 2 lucerne and black prince do...but not really . It's kinda like the DSA scabbards...it'll work...if your lucky. But it wont be pretty .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2008 2:11:34 GMT
Hmmm... scabbards can be acquired (or even fun as a home project). I heartily recommend to consider the sword, and whether you think you will be happy with the blade a year from now.
Although, sometimes you have to just jump in there and get one in your hands before you can really start seeing what you do or don't like about a particular type of sword. After some past experiences, my current purchases have the end of the tang peened over the pommel instead of the pommel being screwed onto it. But that has more to do with peace of mind than structural integrity. My favorite (in my avatar) is a screw on (although epoxied as well).
I wish you good fortune in your chosen weapon!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2008 3:45:41 GMT
Yes very true, the actual sword is the more important aspect. If you like both about the same, the scabbard can be a tie breaker . Anyways, if you like heavier swords, DSA does have that...and in spades.
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