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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 1:46:03 GMT
Ok! I come from reddit actually, a nice person told me to post this here because it may give you all greater insight to japanese swords. That being said, I literally know nothing about Japanese swords. However I wanted one because I like WW2 stuff. Thus bringing to the main topic. Here is what I know. I Traded this katana, for a pre 64 winchester 92. It belonged to a family member of my wife who's ( sorry for this) uncle (person I traded with) uncle (ww2 captian) captured it after destroying a bunker in the Phillipines camping. I Have documents and bring back papers with it as well as a bronze star. Now the story is away here is a link to some photos. If you want more photos or anything particular view please let me know. I would love to know more about the sword and to kinda place a rough value on it. There is no signature FYI. I am going to try to put a piece of light paper over both sides of the tan and go over it with charcoal soon. imgur.com/gallery/wiXccdS
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 22, 2022 1:55:27 GMT
I don’t know much about these swords or pre 64 Winchester’s but you may regret this trade. I’ll be interested in other’s opinions.
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 2:07:00 GMT
I don’t know much about these swords or pre 64 Winchester’s but you may regret this trade. I’ll be interested in other’s opinions. Maybe but from what I am slowly understanding is that this is a converted type 98 gunto sword with an edo era blade on it. However with the power of the internet everyone is an expert with two clicks.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 22, 2022 2:10:14 GMT
Well there are a few people on here that I would consider experts so I’m interested in what they have to say. Nice hamon no matter what it turns out to be.
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 2:12:17 GMT
Well there are a few people on here that I would consider experts so I’m interested in what they have to say. Nice hamon no matter what it turns out to be. I would agree I am very interested.
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2022 2:29:40 GMT
I don’t know much about these swords or pre 64 Winchester’s but you may regret this trade. I’ll be interested in other’s opinions. Maybe but from what I am slowly understanding is that this is a converted type 98 gunto sword with an edo era blade on it. However with the power of the internet everyone is an expert with two clicks. Naw, it usually takes me at least five or six clicks. What I can see in your Imgur photos looks real enough, and I could believe the Edo rather than a later date, from the condition of the nakago (tang), but Edo lasted 268 years. I'd like to see more and better detailed blade pics to try and sort the date and origin out a bit better than "Edo period, Japan".
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 2:31:48 GMT
Maybe but from what I am slowly understanding is that this is a converted type 98 gunto sword with an edo era blade on it. However with the power of the internet everyone is an expert with two clicks. Naw, it usually takes me at least five or six clicks. What I can see in your Imgur photos looks real enough, and I could believe the Edo rather than a later date, from the condition of the nakago (tang), but Edo lasted 268 years. I'd like to see more and better detailed blade pics to try and sort the date and origin out a bit better than "Edo period, Japan". Lol this is true. Ok let me know how you would like the blade picture and how you would like the lighting
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2022 3:18:02 GMT
Naw, it usually takes me at least five or six clicks. What I can see in your Imgur photos looks real enough, and I could believe the Edo rather than a later date, from the condition of the nakago (tang), but Edo lasted 268 years. I'd like to see more and better detailed blade pics to try and sort the date and origin out a bit better than "Edo period, Japan". Lol this is true. Ok let me know how you would like the blade picture and how you would like the lighting A couple flat on, one of each full side of the naked blade from tip to tip, to gauge what is called the "sugata" (shape, or "style", it changed over time), with ruler or something for scale. I'd also like some close up detail pictures of both sides of the polished cutting parts of the blade (nagasa, also used as a term for the length of that part), lit at an angle to bring the hamon out, and hopefully show some details of the steel texture (hada, the folding pattern). All that may give me maybe some idea of what school to assign it to. With some study and practice, you can read these things like a book, but you have to be able to see the details clearly. It's not always easy to photograph. BTW, whatever you do, don't try to polish it (oiling it is fine), and never try to remove rust from the nakago. The condition of the nakago is used for rough dating, and is part of the value of the sword.
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 3:52:34 GMT
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 3:53:55 GMT
Sorry for my breathing fyi... I am just recovering from a sinus and tonsil surgery
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2022 4:19:23 GMT
In a straight line From the notch edge on top to the sharp tip, how long is the blade? From the same notch edge on to to a line even with the tip of the tang, how far is it?
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2022 4:21:30 GMT
Oh, and I still could use pics of the sugata view as described in my post above. Thanks for shooting the video, that's often the best way to catch the activities in a hamon.
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 5:13:38 GMT
In a straight line From the notch edge on top to the sharp tip, how long is the blade? From the same notch edge on to to a line even with the tip of the tang, how far is it? 67.5in to the top notch to the tip Doing it from the bottom notch to the the tip is 68in. Top notch to the tang is 7.11 in Bottom notch to the tan is also 7in
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 5:22:05 GMT
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 7:05:39 GMT
67.5in to the top notch to the tip Doing it from the bottom notch to the the tip is 68in. Top notch to the tang is 7.11 in Bottom notch to the tan is also 7in Are you sure you were looking at inches and not centimeters? Wow I missed that big time. Yes centimeters. However the notches to the tang are inches....
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 7:09:20 GMT
67.5in to the top notch to the tip Doing it from the bottom notch to the the tip is 68in. Top notch to the tang is 7.11 in Bottom notch to the tan is also 7in Are you sure you were looking at inches and not centimeters? I took it apart and did it again btw. All in inches Top notch to tip is 27.5 inches Bottom notch to tip just shy of 28inch like Top notch to end of tang measurements are still correct
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Jul 22, 2022 7:15:39 GMT
Can you post an overhead shot like I did with these two? First impressions is that’s a fine sword: it’s a type 98 Gunto with an ancestral blade. It seems to have a better than average war polish. Estimated age is late Muromachi: you have a short nakago (they lengthened it with machi okuri) and what looks like Saki sori curvature. Could be the overhead photo was misleading but nice blade. Then again kisaki kinda looks small in some photos so could be Shinto like tree says. That’s why overhead photos really would help. I also see you have a silver Kamon family crest. Very nice. It’s a desirable gunto, you didn’t get burnt. In fact if you have the provenance like the bring back paper and the bronze star I imagine it could make the set very desirable if all were sold together. Attachments:
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 7:30:26 GMT
Can you post an overhead shot like I did with these two? First impressions is that’s a fine sword: it’s a type 98 Gunto with an ancestral blade. It seems to have a better than average war polish. Estimated age is late Muromachi: you have a short nakago (they lengthened it with machi okuri) and what looks like Saki sori curvature. Could be the overhead photo was misleading but nice blade. Then again kisaki kinda looks small in some photos so could be Shinto like tree says. That’s why overhead photos really would help. I also see you have a silver Kamon family crest. Very nice. It’s a desirable gunto, you didn’t get burnt. In fact if you have the provenance like the bring back paper and the bronze star I imagine it could make the set very desirable if all were sold together. Thank you for the extremel wealth of info, I'm googling most of what u r saying to get my head around what it all means. I'll shoot more in the morning. I'm headed to bed. I have a rifle case I can use and be able to take more in the a natural light setting. As far as blade age I'm guess you are thinking late 1500s to early 1600s? If that is so damn this blade looks good lol. I just wish I had an idea who made it but from my basic understanding that is near to impossible with out a signature. Kinda sad. I Will say playing with the light and looking at the hamon it is very pretty very wavy, pictures don't do it justice to be honest. Any idea what something like this would fetch for? Also is it worth having the handle re wrapped and the blade polished to get rid of finger prints? Thanks in advanced
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 22, 2022 8:52:14 GMT
Can you post an overhead shot like I did with these two? First impressions is that’s a fine sword: it’s a type 98 Gunto with an ancestral blade. It seems to have a better than average war polish. Estimated age is late Muromachi: you have a short nakago (they lengthened it with machi okuri) and what looks like Saki sori curvature. Could be the overhead photo was misleading but nice blade. Then again kisaki kinda looks small in some photos so could be Shinto like tree says. That’s why overhead photos really would help. I also see you have a silver Kamon family crest. Very nice. It’s a desirable gunto, you didn’t get burnt. In fact if you have the provenance like the bring back paper and the bronze star I imagine it could make the set very desirable if all were sold together. Thank you for the extremel wealth of info, I'm googling most of what u r saying to get my head around what it all means. I'll shoot more in the morning. I'm headed to bed. I have a rifle case I can use and be able to take more in the a natural light setting. As far as blade age I'm guess you are thinking late 1500s to early 1600s? If that is so damn this blade looks good lol. I just wish I had an idea who made it but from my basic understanding that is near to impossible with out a signature. Kinda sad. I Will say playing with the light and looking at the hamon it is very pretty very wavy, pictures don't do it justice to be honest. Any idea what something like this would fetch for? Also is it worth having the handle re wrapped and the blade polished to get rid of finger prints? Thanks in advanced Ted Tenold is one of the premier guys in the US for antique nihonto restoration, sale and valuation. www.legacyswords.com/
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Post by checkpointcharlie on Jul 22, 2022 13:03:09 GMT
So a little update, I reached out to NBTHK service email and provided all the pictures I had. This is what they said
"Looking at the nakago of the sword, I am feeling a Shinto period piece, circa 1661 housed inside an old army gunto (military) mounts."
Feels right ish. I DONT know
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