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Post by mountainsylph on Feb 21, 2022 10:40:24 GMT
Assuming this falls into modern armor right?
Do you think slash proof clothing would perform the same in protecting from knives and machetes the same they do against knives or would they fail? Some people like to think of the materials for it such as Kevlar sometimes as a better equivalent to chainmail in modern day.
A few products out there also claim to be 'puncture resistant' which you can assume probably means some protection from thrusts?
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Feb 21, 2022 10:50:14 GMT
You still have to deal with the impact from the strikes, even if it managed to protect you from the cut.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 21, 2022 15:01:15 GMT
Restant is not 'proof'.
And you still deal with blunt force trauma.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 21:40:36 GMT
Definitely not. I have some of this clothing, and it's primary use is to avoid accidental cuts from knives when in a clinch, during the arrest of a dangerous individual. To give an example, if you are a security officer (who the stuff is primarily designed for) and you are trying to subdue a dangerous individual who has a knife. Against a direct slash, a good enough machete can get through the clothing, and the clothing cannot resist a serrated blade at all. And it's definitely not puncture resistence, the only piece of gear I have (for security) that resists punctures is my vest itself
When dealing with a dangerous person, a security officer should not engage with the person at all. But in case a situation arises where he has no choice, the clothing would provide SOME protection when you try to wrestle the knife out of his hands, like say if the blade rubs against your arms and body during said confrontation
But against a full strike with even a big knife and a sufficiently sharp blade, it can fail. Skallagrim did two videos, one on a Kevlar arm sleeve and one against an arm sleeve that has steel wire in the fibre. The steel wire fibre did considerably better but was still likely to fail against serrations and a sufficiently powerful blow
Typically, a security officer would pay for additional training so that he doesn't need to depend on his gear, but rather, it aids him in his job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 22:22:00 GMT
These are the better ones, with the steel sore woven in the fabric. He has another video on Kevlar alone
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 5:02:09 GMT
www.ringmesh.com/ChainMail-Shirts-s/37.htmThis is more along what you want. If you put it on a cutting board you could cut an axe through it, but on a moving body that has a lot of give, against impact, I'm sure it will do against any regular knife or machete. I'm not sure about swords. I haven't seen too many tests. I have my doubts
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 24, 2022 15:42:24 GMT
www.ringmesh.com/ChainMail-Shirts-s/37.htmThis is more along what you want. If you put it on a cutting board you could cut an axe through it, but on a moving body that has a lot of give, against impact, I'm sure it will do against any regular knife or machete. I'm not sure about swords. I haven't seen too many tests. I have my doubts Blunt trauma and the most powerful of thrusts aside, I would expect near total cut protection from the modern stainless ring mesh, sword or knife. It’s hard enough to cut cloth. But of course, I think the hands and head are the most vulnerable targets and a ring mesh shirt will protect neither. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 19:06:19 GMT
www.ringmesh.com/ChainMail-Shirts-s/37.htmThis is more along what you want. If you put it on a cutting board you could cut an axe through it, but on a moving body that has a lot of give, against impact, I'm sure it will do against any regular knife or machete. I'm not sure about swords. I haven't seen too many tests. I have my doubts Blunt trauma and the most powerful of thrusts aside, I would expect near total cut protection from the modern stainless ring mesh, sword or knife. It’s hard enough to cut cloth. But of course, I think the hands and head are the most vulnerable targets and a ring mesh shirt will protect neither. They have gloves made from the cut resistent cloth, but again, blunt force. I wouldn't be surprised if a machete cut through the fingers, while leaving the fabric uncut lol not to mention how difficult they make it to grip anything Same goes for ringmesh, it would make a poor glove probably You know I been wondering about the head, what can be done about it. All I've come up with is layering the outside in a cut resistent fabric and gluing in a bump cap insert. Got any ideas for low visibility armour for the head and hands? |
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Mar 2, 2022 2:55:55 GMT
Blunt trauma and the most powerful of thrusts aside, I would expect near total cut protection from the modern stainless ring mesh, sword or knife. It’s hard enough to cut cloth. But of course, I think the hands and head are the most vulnerable targets and a ring mesh shirt will protect neither. They have gloves made from the cut resistent cloth, but again, blunt force. I wouldn't be surprised if a machete cut through the fingers, while leaving the fabric uncut lol not to mention how difficult they make it to grip anything Same goes for ringmesh, it would make a poor glove probably You know I been wondering about the head, what can be done about it. All I've come up with is layering the outside in a cut resistent fabric and gluing in a bump cap insert. Got any ideas for low visibility armour for the head and hands? Low visibility? Not really. Any helmet with decent impact protection will necessarily require padding between the outer shell and your head, which takes space, which makes them bulky. Hands? Any gloves beat no gloves. Motorcycle gauntlets if you ride. |
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